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Samamba

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Difficult situation for Widar today.
Isolated with a few dangerous riders ahead. Visma is helping the chase now.
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Visma stopped already. It's O'Brien for Trek but he isn't getting any help. Not sure why Lotto is letting Eeman sit in the break. Honestly Visma should also just keep riding. Yeah great maybe Rex could win but you're possibly giving up the GC if let this happen.

Lotto just not strong enough, which was to be expected (Widar needs to watch out with prefering his friends cause Driesen isn't good enough for this level), but Donie not being in this group is bad.

EDIT: ok there were no cars behind break till now so Eeman probably doesn't even know what's happening.
 
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Samamba said:
Visma stopped already. It's O'Brien for Trek but he isn't getting any help. Not sure why Lotto is letting Eeman sit in the break. Honestly Visma should also just keep riding. Yeah great maybe Rex could win but you're possibly giving up the GC if let this happen.

Lotto just not strong enough, which was to be expected (Widar needs to watch out with prefering his friends cause Driesen isn't good enough for this level), but Donie not being in this group is bad.
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Yeah even Turconi might become dangerous in GC after today. Perhaps Widar's best strategy would be to try and drop everyone on Passo Coppi and limit his losses to the break.

Interesting race though, you don't often see this kind of tactical nuances in the U23 ranks.
 
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Samamba said:
Lotto just not strong enough, which was to be expected (Widar needs to watch out with prefering his friends cause Driesen isn't good enough for this level), but Donie not being in this group is bad.
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Really? Coming from a top 20 in Isard, he can't be that bad. And mixing it with the top dogs in Eroica and P-R as a junior.

But other than that, I agree with your analysis. Tricky situation. How did that dangerous group get away? You'd think the other GC guys would pay attention if Tuckwell or Omrzel attacks.
 
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Yeah even Turconi might become dangerous in GC after today. Perhaps Widar's best strategy would be to try and drop everyone on Passo Coppi and limit his losses to the break.
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That's very risky as if there's no cooperation in your group after you're gonna lose a lot of time.

I think best is to talk to Visma en let Eeman come back after last climb. And just limit the damage. If he loses like 50s-1m it's kinda ok I would say. That's still doable even tho it will be hard with Red Bull

But it's looking pretty bad right now.
 
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Really? Coming from a top 20 in Isard, he can't be that bad. And mixing it with the top dogs in Eroica and P-R as a junior.

But other than that, I agree with your analysis. Tricky situation. How did that dangerous group get away? You'd think the other GC guys would pay attention if Tuckwell or Omrzel attacks.
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I think Donie is struggling with the heat. He's never been really good in it.

Lots of attacks, no control after the big climb. Widar couldn't react to everything.
 
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Really? Coming from a top 20 in Isard, he can't be that bad. And mixing it with the top dogs in Eroica and P-R as a junior.

But other than that, I agree with your analysis. Tricky situation. How did that dangerous group get away? You'd think the other GC guys would pay attention if Tuckwell or Omrzel attacks.
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It's only really Pericas, Nordhagen, and Widar (sort of Philipsen, but the final big mountain day is probably too hard for him). Becomes a 3 v 3, plus the other escapees and the couple of teammates left.
 
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Eeman staying in the lead group is insane. What is Lotto keeping him there for? Surely they must be able to communicate with him somehow. He hasn't done the whole stage without getting a feed from the car, has he?

Edit: Okay, now I don't see him in that group anymore.
 
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Eeman staying in the lead group is insane. What is Lotto keeping him there for? Surely they must be able to communicate with him somehow. He hasn't done the whole stage without getting a feed from the car, has he?
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I think this was literally the first time he was able to speak with the car... But even then, he should've realized earlier himself

But honestly Visma's tactics are equally dumb. I have no idea what they are doing. Group is winning anyways. Rex has his chance anyways, at least limit the damage for GC. UAE has realized it but only have 1 guy. Visma the only team with multiple guys left.
 
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I think this was literally the first time he was able to speak with the car... But even then, he should've realized earlier himself

But honestly Visma's tactics are equally dumb. I have no idea what they are doing. Group is winning anyways. Rex has his chance anyways, at least limit the damage for GC.
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If he was an UAE rider he'd probably starve himself just to not be called back. :D
 
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Samamba said:
I think this was literally the first time he was able to speak with the car... But even then, he should've realized earlier himself

But honestly Visma's tactics are equally dumb. I have no idea what they are doing. Group is winning anyways. Rex has his chance anyways, at least limit the damage for GC. UAE has realized it but only have 1 guy. Visma the only team with multiple guys left.
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Yes I was about to post this.
Even chasing full gas there's no way they catch Rex at this point.
 
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They are just not gonna get back time unless Visma starts riding too. Break has the numerical advantage.

And yes Prato Nevoso stage is harder than the first mountain stage, but definitely not hard enough to just make up more than 2 minutes. Of course there's still Sunday too but Red Bull is by far strongest team in this race it seems and they have Finn who can just follow.
 
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It's probably good for the race. Widar, Nordhagen and Pericas will have to try earlier now on Saturday and will probably have to make war on Sunday too, but I fear Tuckwells advantage here is gonna be a bit too big given his form and the fact that he has a very strong team.

Ok if they can get to 1'30 it's still a very good position to be in for Red Bull but not mission impossible for the others.
 
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The rise of the development teams makes it harder to assess how good someone like Turconi is compared to Omrzel than it used to be - late 2005 with two years' pro v early 2006 with a development team.

Omrzel maybe a bad example as his Slovenia performance was way better than anything Turconi has ever done, but I mean the PRT v WT development team split. I feel like five years ago if you were u21 and a pro you had the advantage over the others with the better set-up, training, equipment, nutrition etc, but now?
 
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