UCI to trial disc brakes?

[Backroader69]

This is all B.S. It was never established that the disc brake caused that rider's injury! Never! He only said that he THOUGHT it was the disc brake. Where's the disc with the blood on it?! But the story just kept growing, all based on a assumption....

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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Well, regardless of them being better or not, looks like the riders association is digging their heels in because the UCI isn't listening to them.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/disc-brake-debate-reignites-as-cpa-set-to-clash-with-uci/

Looks like the UCI is trialling a protective cover which should help with most issues, but one of the main concerns is that some riders wont be able to stop as well as disc equipped bikes and cause crashes etc, they want an "all or nothing" peloton, so until all the manufacturers get on board (and judging by Fausto Pinarello's comments recently about high end bikes not needing discs) I can't see that happening any time soon.

That's exactly how it should be. However, we've been in a situation for a few years now where the general public has had access to better bikes that just keep getting better than what is allowed at the highest levels of our sport. That can only go on for so long. No other sport on the planet that uses brakes is this a reality.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

This is all B.S. It was never established that the disc brake caused that rider's injury! Never! He only said that he THOUGHT it was the disc brake. Where's the disc with the blood on it?! But the story just kept growing, all based on a assumption....

Absolutely! Ventoso's claim was debunked in a press conference about a week or two after Roubaix where they were shown video of the crash and asked how does one get cut by a disc rotor when nobody in that accident was from one of the two teams testing disc that day. Ventoso and the DS' reply was "no comment", then proceeded to walk out of the room. It's the perfect red herring, especially when there's blood involved.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

 

[DFA123]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Poels isn't good enough to need them. I bet he doesn't even go 200km/h on downhills. Probably never ridden a disc brake road bike in his life.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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The Fausto Pinarello interview was a joke. High end bikes don't need better brakes he says, meanwhile what is a disc version of a Doggy F8 doing in his line up? Typical self-contradicting Italian, they're the best at it. Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season. I've had my rotors glowing red before, but it takes a few successive switchbacks with short steep straights in between. Do you want heat build up on a rotor, or on your rim where it's a detriment to braking performance and also heating the tire interface? Think about where mass pile ups happen, usually on the flats when riders aren't paying attention, or in sprints. How much brakes are applied in those scenarios? Not nearly enough to burn anyone.

For demonstration sake take out a disc road bike and wind up a 65kph sprint, come to a sudden stop and touch the rotor. If you say you burnt yourself I know for a fact you're lying.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season.

Contador retweeted Poels' tweet and he tested disc brakes late last year (and said he wanted to toss the bike off a mountain)

 

[Red Rick]

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Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season.

Contador retweeted Poels' tweet and he tested disc brakes late last year (and said he wanted to toss the bike off a mountain)

Maybe they can get Wiggins, Millar or Riis to test them out?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Doesn't matter. I have thousands of customers and multiple state champs racing on disc that vow never to go back to rim brakes. Momentum isn't exactly on the PT racers side when everybody else is on better gear.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Doesn't matter. I have thousands of customers and multiple state champs racing on disc that vow never to go back to rim brakes. Momentum isn't exactly on the PT racers side when everybody else is on better gear.

So do you have some sort of vested interest in them?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Maybe they can get Wiggins, Millar or Riis to test them out?

I bet Speshy didn't like him saying that

 

[DFA123]

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Doesn't matter. I have thousands of customers and multiple state champs racing on disc that vow never to go back to rim brakes. Momentum isn't exactly on the PT racers side when everybody else is on better gear.

So do you have some sort of vested interest in them?

Wow, that comes as a massive surprise. Credibility well and truly shot.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Not at all. People are speaking with their purchases, and I had a post about that not too long ago. In fact many of my customers don't necessarily need better brakes, but one of the ancillary benefits of them is for people who want a great wheel set aren't going to ruin them anymore with a rim brake.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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Doesn't matter. I have thousands of customers and multiple state champs racing on disc that vow never to go back to rim brakes. Momentum isn't exactly on the PT racers side when everybody else is on better gear.

So do you have some sort of vested interest in them?

Wow, that comes as a massive surprise. Credibility well and truly shot.

Wow, for the person who posts lie after lie that's a pretty bold statement.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Let me pose a question to all of you; why is it that the biggest critics of disc are the people with the least experience? For the last 20 years we went through this twice before with mtb and cx , and always the most vocal opposition came from people that never even did a parking lot test. Interesting how the credibility claims echo this.

 

[DFA123]

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Let me pose a question to all of you; why is it that the biggest critics of disc are the people with the least experience? For the last 20 years we went through this twice before with mtb and cx , and always the most vocal opposition came from people that never even did a parking lot test. Interesting how the credibility claims echo this.

You've got no idea what experience people have or don't have with disc brakes, so that is nonsense. This discussion thread is about the pros, and the majority are not in favour: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/opi...-disc-brakes-so-why-are-we-forcing-the-issue/

But I guess the pros have the least experience, right?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

You give up your experience when you post things that are clearly contradictory to facts. We've been racing road disc for the last 5 years in mixed fields, cx for 10 and I have yet to see a rotor cut or burn somebody. That's what the pros are worried about yet the evidence is lacking. The pros have nothing to say about performance, it's all safety and logistics.

 

[DFA123]

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You give up your experience when you post things that are clearly contradictory to facts. We've been racing road disc for the last 5 years in mixed fields, cx for 10 and I have yet to see a rotor cut or burn somebody. That's what the pros are worried about yet the evidence is lacking. The pros have nothing to say about performance, it's all safety and logistics.

Your anecdotal evidence from the local club run or some minor regional crit, is hardly transferable to the intensities and demands of the professional circuit. It's pretty clear that most pros don't feel there is an advantage from discs in their kind of racing.

Whether they are better or not for Freds is a different issue. Of course, the pros are much better bike handlers, so can handle themselves fine on rim brakes. Amateurs who aren't so comfortable on the bike and have lousy technique could potentially benefit in wet conditions I suppose.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

In the same breath you tell me 20 years of disc brake experience is "anecdotal", then proceed to spew it yourself. You've also threw out the "strawman" argument a few times here yet your entire argument is the basis for one. Good luck with that strategy. Barring a disc decapitating somebody they will be standard issue. If you think precious roadies are going to be exempt from this much longer you're just simply not all there.

 

[Red Rick]

How much do you think road pro's would benefit from switching to disc brakes?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

If I'm shaving seconds of technical courses with disc brakes over my rim brake bikes (which I still ride on occasion btw) either out training or in a Masters field, then yes, pros benefit. For a sport that is all about marginal gains, it's a no brainer. They pay more for less.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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. The pros have nothing to say about performance, it's all safety and logistics.

Yet Contador did not like them for their performance??

 

[LaFlorecita]

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In the same breath you tell me 20 years of disc brake experience is "anecdotal", then proceed to spew it yourself. You've also threw out the "strawman" argument a few times here yet your entire argument is the basis for one. Good luck with that strategy. Barring a disc decapitating somebody they will be standard issue. If you think precious roadies are going to be exempt from this much longer you're just simply not all there.

Why is this issue so important to you?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Re: Contador. Sounds like the mechanics fault rather than the part. I've never heard anyone say; gimme back my rim brake bike, these suck! until that statement. I've also never seen somebody blame a bike part for a cut when there was no evidence supporting it. Go figure.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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In the same breath you tell me 20 years of disc brake experience is "anecdotal", then proceed to spew it yourself. You've also threw out the "strawman" argument a few times here yet your entire argument is the basis for one. Good luck with that strategy. Barring a disc decapitating somebody they will be standard issue. If you think precious roadies are going to be exempt from this much longer you're just simply not all there.

Why is this issue so important to you?

I didn't start the thread. Don't you think the real question is how you guys get it so wrong every time?