UCI to trial disc brakes?

[LaFlorecita]

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Re: Contador. Sounds like the mechanics fault rather than the part. I've never heard anyone say; gimme back my rim brake bike, these suck! until that statement. I've also never seen somebody blame a bike part for a cut when there was no evidence supporting it. Go figure.

Yes, blame one of the best and most respected mechanics in the peloton. It's obviously not possible that some people just prefer rim brakes.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Yes, that same mechanic spent almost his entire career with road bikes and probably never touched a disc system up until that ride. He very well could've not bled the line correctly or sent Contador out on brand new rotors that haven't been broken in. I've heard experienced mechanics do worse.

Most have a 'preference' based on little to no experience with road disc. That's were I find exception to all of this.

 

[DFA123]

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Yes, that same mechanic spent almost his entire career with road bikes and probably never touched a disc system up until that ride. He very well could've not bled the line correctly or sent Contador out on brand new rotors that haven't been broken in. I've heard experienced mechanics do worse.

Most have a 'preference' based on little to no experience with road disc. That's were I find exception to all of this.

Lots more unsupported projection here. Of course, the other side of the same coin is that perhaps those who like disc brakes so much don't know how to set up a rim brake properly.

 

[Red Rick]

I think there's a mental part to this as well. If riders believe there's a risk, it will affect them if the thought pops up in their heads.

 

[spalco]

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Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season.

Contador retweeted Poels' tweet and he tested disc brakes late last year (and said he wanted to toss the bike off a mountain)

I'm totally baffled by this. Someone like Contador especially, being a stronger than average downhiller (or at least one of the ballsier riders downhill) should be ecstatic at disc brakes being legalised in the peloton.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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Yes, that same mechanic spent almost his entire career with road bikes and probably never touched a disc system up until that ride. He very well could've not bled the line correctly or sent Contador out on brand new rotors that haven't been broken in. I've heard experienced mechanics do worse.

Most have a 'preference' based on little to no experience with road disc. That's were I find exception to all of this.

Lots more unsupported projection here. Of course, the other side of the same coin is that perhaps those who like disc brakes so much don't know how to set up a rim brake properly.

How so? PT mechanics aren't necessarily the best, nor does length of tenure suggest superior skill. Many team mechanics get that job because of who they know, not that they're the cream of the crop. You last point makes absolutely no sense, at least you're consistent in that regard.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season.

Contador retweeted Poels' tweet and he tested disc brakes late last year (and said he wanted to toss the bike off a mountain)

I'm totally baffled by this. Someone like Contador especially, being a stronger than average downhiller (or at least one of the ballsier riders downhill) should be ecstatic at disc brakes being legalised in the peloton.

It's totally bonkers but not new. Back in the late 90's mtb pros were scared that discs would cause a rash of OTB incidents, then CX pros said they were too heavy and too powerful for cross. Now we have roadies crying wolf about everything under the sun. History has a strange way of repeating itself.

 

[biker jk]

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How much do you think road pro's would benefit from switching to disc brakes?

One test I've seen said there was a 10 second gain on a 5 minute descent.

http://www.ilovebicycling.com/are-disc-brakes-better-than-rim-brakes/

 

[42x16ss]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

 

[Tim B]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

That's almost a guarantee by September this year, probably earlier.

 

[42x16ss]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

That's almost a guarantee by September this year, probably earlier.

My guess is July. If it's a wet TDF this year riders will want them.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

That's a good guess, right before Eurobike. I was giving a bit more time leeway and targeting Interbike for the release as a last resort, but money is money. If last year was ever an indication of what people want it ain't rim brake road bikes.

 

[biker jk]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

Never happens. :lol:

https://youtu.be/j7bacvGYnpo

 

[42x16ss]

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That's a good guess, right before Eurobike. I was giving a bit more time leeway and targeting Interbike for the release as a last resort, but money is money. If last year was ever an indication of what people want it ain't rim brake road bikes.

Worst circumstance they can paint up an F8 disc. They're hard to tell apart anyway.

 

[Tim B]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

Never happens. :lol:

https://youtu.be/j7bacvGYnpo

To be fair, that crash was more about the white line in the wet than anything else

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

That's a good guess, right before Eurobike. I was giving a bit more time leeway and targeting Interbike for the release as a last resort, but money is money. If last year was ever an indication of what people want it ain't rim brake road bikes.

Worst circumstance they can paint up an F8 disc. They're hard to tell apart anyway.

I wouldn't put it past them. Having worked for an Italian-centric shop for the first decade of my career Pinarello were the most shady. They make Colnago, Bianchi, DeRosa, and Wilier look like saints.

 

[42x16ss]

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That's a good guess, right before Eurobike. I was giving a bit more time leeway and targeting Interbike for the release as a last resort, but money is money. If last year was ever an indication of what people want it ain't rim brake road bikes.

Worst circumstance they can paint up an F8 disc. They're hard to tell apart anyway.

I wouldn't put it past them. Having worked for an Italian-centric shop for the first decade of my career Pinarello were the most shady. They make Colnago, Bianchi, DeRosa, and Wilier look like saints.

Remember the original magnesium dogmas? :lol:

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Oh yeah! Carful that your tires don't kick up any pebbles because your frame will either crack or start on fire! Magnesium frames, pffft! They did have a pretty sweet ride quality tho, I'll give them that.

 

[biker jk]

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Honestly as long as some big names (riders, but also Pinarello) keep speaking out against disc brakes I don't see them becoming a thing anytime soon. https://twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/829033113070231553

Pinarello have no issues with disc brakes

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bikes-2017/road/dogma-f8-disk

We don't think they are needed, but if you want to give us money for one anyway...

I bet if Froomey got dropped on a descent or crashed in the wet trying to keep up, old mate Fausto would have a disc ready F10 available pretty quickly.

Never happens. :lol:

https://youtu.be/j7bacvGYnpo

To be fair, that crash was more about the white line in the wet than anything else

True but I'm being as fair as Ventoso's claim that a disc brake rotor cut his leg.

 

[Tim B]

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Never happens. :lol:

https://youtu.be/j7bacvGYnpo

To be fair, that crash was more about the white line in the wet than anything else

True but I'm being as fair as Ventoso's claim that a disc brake rotor cut his leg.

Haha, true, that was total BS. A lot of these guys aren't paid to be smart, it's either work on the family pig farm or ride a bike for a living.
Road cycling, the management, DS's etc are so often stuck in the "old ways" that they are afraid of change and the riders only know what they are told. Half of them don't even know what tyre pressures they run, the mech does it for them and they just ride.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, circle jerk.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Poels using typical scare tactics with videos that aren't even his. Most likely he never even tested a disc bike in the off season.

Contador retweeted Poels' tweet and he tested disc brakes late last year (and said he wanted to toss the bike off a mountain)

I'm totally baffled by this. Someone like Contador especially, being a stronger than average downhiller (or at least one of the ballsier riders downhill) should be ecstatic at disc brakes being legalised in the peloton.

It's totally bonkers but not new. Back in the late 90's mtb pros were scared that discs would cause a rash of OTB incidents, then CX pros said they were too heavy and too powerful for cross. Now we have roadies crying wolf about everything under the sun. History has a strange way of repeating itself.

This is pathetic. Many riders tested disc brakes and not all liked them. Get over it, who are you to tell what people should ride or like or not (unless you have a vested interest, as I suggested earlier).

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Never happens. :lol:

https://youtu.be/j7bacvGYnpo

To be fair, that crash was more about the white line in the wet than anything else

True but I'm being as fair as Ventoso's claim that a disc brake rotor cut his leg.

Haha, true, that was total BS. A lot of these guys aren't paid to be smart, it's either work on the family pig farm or ride a bike for a living.
Road cycling, the management, DS's etc are so often stuck in the "old ways" that they are afraid of change and the riders only know what they are told. Half of them don't even know what tyre pressures they run, the mech does it for them and they just ride.

Is it that weird that when a rider gets caught up in a mass crash in one of the first races with disc brakes, sees his skin and tissue has been literally scraped off his bone, something he probably hasn't seen or heard of before, puts 1 and 1 together and figures it must be the newly added disc brakes that caused it whether that is true or not? But sure, keep ridiculing him.

 

[spalco]

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This is pathetic. Many riders tested disc brakes and not all liked them. Get over it, who are you to tell what people should ride or like or not (unless you have a vested interest, as I suggested earlier).

The point isn't what someone likes or doesn't like, but better brakes give a clear advantage in certain circumstances. In cycling not as much as in motorsports for obvious reasons, but still there's an edge to gain here, and it will be exploited by some riders.