UCI World Tour Teams for 2013

[Matthijs]

Did anybody see Saxo Bank last year? No, I did not see them eather. They have Contador, but is one rider enough for WT? It's Geox all over again: it's not a bad team, but it will be such a shame to send this squad to the Giro, to Ronde van Vlaanderen, to every race Contador does not compete in.

Argos won't be in the top 5 of LBL eather, but in most stage-races and non-mountain classics they have more to ride for them FDJ, AG2R and Cofidis combined.

Does anybody know more about Lotto and FDJ? They got a license for 2013 but why does everybody assume they won't be kicked out?

 

[DominicDecoco]

Did anybody see Saxo Bank last year? No, I did not see them eather. They have Contador, but is one rider enough for WT? It's Geox all over again: it's not a bad team, but it will be such a shame to send this squad to the Giro, to Ronde van Vlaanderen, to every race Contador does not compete in.

You have some reading to do in the transfer thread.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Did anybody see Saxo Bank last year? No, I did not see them eather. They have Contador, but is one rider enough for WT? It's Geox all over again: it's not a bad team, but it will be such a shame to send this squad to the Giro, to Ronde van Vlaanderen, to every race Contador does not compete in.

No we didn't see much of Saxo Bank last year. But this year they've got Contador, Kreuziger, Bennati, Roche, Breschel and Zaugg added to their lineup.

 

[Afrank]

Did anybody see Saxo Bank last year? No, I did not see them eather. They have Contador, but is one rider enough for WT? It's Geox all over again: it's not a bad team, but it will be such a shame to send this squad to the Giro, to Ronde van Vlaanderen, to every race Contador does not compete in.

Argos won't be in the top 5 of LBL eather, but in most stage-races and non-mountain classics they have more to ride for them FDJ, AG2R and Cofidis combined.

Does anybody know more about Lotto and FDJ? They got a license for 2013 but why does everybody assume they won't be kicked out?

Contador, Bennati, kreuziguer, roche, majka, breschel, Zaugg and Kump to name a few riders they signed. Overall with Saxo's new signings they will bring a much better and more complete team to the world tour than they other teams like Argos. They will be able to be competitive in a lot more races than Argos will be also.

 

[Netserk]

Outside of Kittel and Degenkolb, Argos is a poor man's Greenedge. The team just shows what is wrong with the ranking system, when they would be ahead of Saxo even with Bert...

 

[argyllflyer]

Can the teams who already have World Tour licences for next season but are in positions 15-20 be demoted to Pro Continental?

 

[the asian]

Should be a no brainer.

Saxo, FDJ and Lotto to fill the final 3 spots.

 

[Dedelou]

what is the method for determining "sporting value"? Is the UCI team ranking different than that?

1 1 SKY PROCYCLING (SKY) GBR 1,767
2 2 KATUSHA TEAM (KAT) RUS 1,273
3 3 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE (LIQ) ITA 1,197
4 4 OMEGA PHARMA-QUICKSTEP (OPQ) BEL 1,162
5 5 MOVISTAR TEAM (MOV) ESP 952
6 6 ORICA GREENEDGE (OGE) AUS 920
7 7 BMC RACING TEAM (BMC) USA 917
8 8 RABOBANK CYCLING TEAM (RAB) NED 799
9 9 GARMIN - SHARP (GRS) USA 762
10 11 ASTANA PRO TEAM (AST) KAZ 645
11 10 LOTTO BELISOL TEAM (LTB) BEL 625
12 12 RADIOSHACK-NISSAN (RNT) LUX 619
13 13 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI (EUS) ESP 555
14 14 LAMPRE - ISD (LAM) ITA 435
15 15 TEAM SAXO BANK-TINKOFF BANK (STB) DEN 401
16 16 VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM (VCD) NED 364
17 17 AG2R LA MONDIALE (ALM) FRA 315
18 18 FDJ-BIG MAT (FDJ) FRA 246

 

[theyoungest]

The sporting value also includes non-WT races. Which is why Euskaltel signed nine Mehdi Sohrabis to get themselves a WT ticket.

Outside of Kittel and Degenkolb, Argos is a poor man's Greenedge. The team just shows what is wrong with the ranking system, when they would be ahead of Saxo even with Bert...

I don't think Argos is the problem, Euskaltel is. And the fact that the Saxo riders (apart from Contador) have scored little to no points. You can't ignore that.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

The whole system is flawed, definitely. You shouldn't be able to buy yourself into the WorldTour. What has happened to Euskaltel for next year should be reason enough. It's sad to see.

 

[Netserk]

I want either:

A: Back to the time, when financial security was the most important in handing out licenses.

OR

B: A sporting value where all the points stay with the team (and ex-dopers can score points, as they already have been sanctioned, and you can't/shouldn't get punished for the same crime twice)

 

[theyoungest]

I want either:

A: Back to the time, when financial security was the most important in handing out licenses.

OR

B: A sporting value where all the points stay with the team (and ex-dopers can score points, as they already have been sanctioned, and you can't/shouldn't get punished for the same crime twice)

Would you say the same when these two rules didn't favour Saxo? Saxo sans Contador have been really, really poor. You could argue that it wasn't a team worthy of WT-status.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Would you say the same when these two rules didn't favour Saxo? Saxo sans Contador have been really, really poor. You could argue that it wasn't a team worthy of WT-status.

The thing is; It was in 2011 and will be in 2013.

 

[Dutchsmurf]

Would you say the same when these two rules didn't favour Saxo? Saxo sans Contador have been really, really poor. You could argue that it wasn't a team worthy of WT-status.

His second rule is only half in favour of Saxo. If you follow that rule, the points of all those new riders wouldn't count.

 

[theyoungest]

The thing is; It was in 2011 and will be in 2013.

Because they brought on a few riders who have done virtually nothing in their own right, these past two years?

Look, personally I think Saxo should get the nod ahead of Argos, if only for Contador. But Breschel and Bennati don't deserve a WT spot more than Degenkolb.

 

[Netserk]

It is not because of Saxo. It is mostly so that there isn't all this point transfer. I also want new teams to start as (Pro)Continental team. I think it would be more stable that way, and we wouldn't get another Leotard 1 year team.

 

[Leonardus]

It is not because of Saxo. It is mostly so that there isn't all this point transfer. I also want new teams to start as (Pro)Continental team. I think it would be more stable that way, and we wouldn't get another Leotard 1 year team.

Exactly. What Euskaltel has done with their signings is just a disgrace and shows what a bad system this is. Would be much better if points stay with the team (or at least the majority) and new teams only as ProConti should also make it more stable.

 

[Alpehue]

I don't think UCI could get away with not giving Saxo a license. It would be way to much of a f*** you to someone like Riis who has probably a bit of pull in the sport. Also, Saxo has more depth now than Argos, who has 3-4 good riders. FDJ better get in as well, especially with their dedication to anti-doping. Plus they are French, thats got to help. Argos bring nothing to the World Tour. Saxo will bring some decent excitement though.

+ Fat paddy spent ages talking about Riss being one of the better directors, doing loads for anti doping the other day. Im completely sure SbTb will get one of the spots. Anything else would be a joke.

 

[Alpehue]

Did anybody see Saxo Bank last year? No, I did not see them eather. They have Contador, but is one rider enough for WT? It's Geox all over again: it's not a bad team, but it will be such a shame to send this squad to the Giro, to Ronde van Vlaanderen, to every race Contador does not compete in.

Argos won't be in the top 5 of LBL eather, but in most stage-races and non-mountain classics they have more to ride for them FDJ, AG2R and Cofidis combined.

Does anybody know more about Lotto and FDJ? They got a license for 2013 but why does everybody assume they won't be kicked out?

Ehm are you serious? Read the transfer tread. They deffinetly have more then 1 good rider.. Kreuziger, Roche..

 

[theyoungest]

Ehm are you serious? Read the transfer tread. They deffinetly have more then 1 good rider.. Kreuziger, Roche..

Oh wow, Kreuziger and Roche.

Again, it's not for nothing that they only take the 20th spot on the rider values list. They have signed some decent riders, but no great ones.

 

[Alpehue]

Oh wow, Kreuziger and Roche.

Again, it's not for nothing that they only take the 20th spot on the rider values list. They have signed some decent riders, but no great ones.

I disagree, lets next year. Besides, how many teams can say they have a stronger squad, especially for the GT's, where most of the sponsor money is.

 

[hoerpi]

B: A sporting value where all the points stay with the team (and ex-dopers can score points, as they already have been sanctioned, and you can't/shouldn't get punished for the same crime twice)

You don't. The punishment is given at the same time as a 2+2 years suspension, nothing unique with that. I know that Sweden uses the same kind of punishment for economic crimes, you can get prison and then be forbidden to run a company for up to ten years.

 

[Netserk]

You don't. The punishment is given at the same time as a 2+2 years suspension, nothing unique with that. I know that Sweden uses the same kind of punishment for economic crimes, you can get prison and then be forbidden to run a company for up to ten years.

But when Contador got banned it was only 2, and not 2+2. Later he got the additional punishment. (and I also think that the rule should be dropped altogether)

 

[del1962]

Contador was able to ride during his ban though did he collect points during that time?

 

[Netserk]

Contador was able to ride during his ban though did he collect points during that time?

When he rode it was before he was banned, so of course did his points count.