Un-ban The Helmet Rule.

[woodie]

Proof?? Hmmmm proof... OK See if you can follow this. Nike does not currently make cycling shoes or cycling clothing... Nada, Zip, nothing... they are done, can you explain that? I know many people there, and there are no plans for future cycling product. The LiveStrong stuff is a promotional contract with Lance, and they don't make it.

They have never made a consistent profit in cycling. They had a wonderful promotional opportunity with Lance Armstrong, and it initially paid huge dividends. (we'll see how the future of that plays out) But Nike generated more money with their women's Tempo Track short, than the entire Cycling division did in it's final year. As for the several "in and outs", each entry was followed by an exit as we have recently witnessed, and Nike doesn't usually say "no thanks" to making money.

Your Giordana ramble is incomprehensible to me, but then again most of your posts are. I can't wait to decipher the next cryptic message. As for the Mr Nike Propaganda title; I am not sure how panning Nike as a viable cycling company earns me such high esteem, but it does run consistent with your misguided attempts at logic

I am so glad i'm not the only who see's this

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Helmets

I bit it today going moderate speed when my front tire hung up on a seam in the road. I was knocked out, my helmet broke in three places and I suffered the usual headaches, cuts, scrapes, bruises and ripped clothing. Without my helmet I suspect I would have had a major concussion and a healthy hospitalization.

Helmets are here to stay and for good reason. Forget the aesthetics!

 

[boardhanger]

Proof?? Hmmmm proof... OK See if you can follow this. Nike does not currently make cycling shoes or cycling clothing... Nada, Zip, nothing... they are done, can you explain that? I know many people there, and there are no plans for future cycling product.

They have never made a consistent profit in cycling.

Nike has never consistently been involved in cycling to make a profit. Let me quote what you said publicly pertaining to yourself. Date: 5-8-09 and I quote "I'm obviously naive and confused" You said it buddy !!!

 

[Willy_Voet]

I actually LOL'ed

May as well learn something while reading this thread.

 

[Archibald]

......it has taken the personal connection outa racing when watching. If grown men and woman want to race on 'closed roads' without wearing it then they should be allowed to. When the ban came into effect for all levels of racing the price of helmets tripled!! Anyone else notice that?????? I was happy with a moderate helmet law i.e sprint stages etc. But mountain top finishes when they're riding 13-14mph. Come on !!!

I read the first 4 pages as this thread degenerated into the old debate about brain buckets and seemed to completely miss one very important factor about this original post...

Try getting your major event insured (liability-wise) without the helmet rule in place.
Try getting your team's riders covered for medical insurance if he's not wearing a helmet, while you're at it.

Considering the OP actually lives in the OTT litigatious land of the US, surely, he would have thought of this...

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Generally I don't believe government should be able to ban individuals engaging in activities or taking risks that only harm themselves.

(However I am definitely not one of those tea party wallies who thinks government of all sorts is a bad idea, except perhaps executiing criminals and deporting migrants. Try opening a business or building a home in Somalia and see how far you get without road maintenance, sewers, refuse disposal, libraries, law enforcement etc.)

For that reason (1st paragraph) I am philosophically opposed to the continued prohibition of narcotics. I believe banning drugs, and criminalising their use and supply causes far more harm than treating addiction as a medical disorder requiring prescriptions, and recreational use as precisely that.

At first I was of the (similar) opinion that the same principle should apply to helmet wearing. The cyclist who does not wear a helmet only puts himself in harms way, (unlike, for example, a drunken driver) so his choice not to wear one is his responsibility.

However, I have raced a lot, and have seen a lot of hard crashes. Do I really want to see someone die or get brain damage right in front of me? Does that not harm me? Would I not be distressed at witnessing such an event? Would I not have a sense of anxiety at seeing someone taking part in a bunch sprint in a bandana?

And on another level - what if I caused a crash that led to a helmet less participant dying - would I then be racked with guilt and "what if's" over his death, despite the fact that it was his choice to not wear one? How might this (negatively) effect me?

and I don't think many of us are hard hearted enough to really believe it if we tried to say to ourselves "it was his choice and his decision" in such circumstances.

 

[ManInFull]

What was your price you paid? I don't know if you was into cycling pre-Nike ( outa respect I refuse to say pre-Lance cause I give the man credit for what he's done.....) I've witness the change in pricing and its shocking. This isn't a USA based thing it's happened in Britain and Europe also. Nike !!!!

So you're saying that before Nike, clothing from Castelli was cheap?

 

[boardhanger]

So you're saying that before Nike, clothing from Castelli was cheap?

Castelli was never in the cheap jersey business. Your point?

 

[VeloFidelis]

Proof?? Hmmmm proof... OK See if you can follow this. Nike does not currently make cycling shoes or cycling clothing... Nada, Zip, nothing... they are done, can you explain that? I know many people there, and there are no plans for future cycling product.

They have never made a consistent profit in cycling.

Nike has never consistently been involved in cycling to make a profit. Let me quote what you said publicly pertaining to yourself. Date: 5-8-09 and I quote "I'm obviously naive and confused" You said it buddy !!!

OK... So reading comprehension is not your strong point. Let me help you. These two statements:

"They have never made a consistent profit in cycling."

"Nike has never consistently been involved in cycling to make a profit."

are not the same. In fact they are not even remotely close. You see, if you are going to quote someone, you have to actually use their words in the same order that they did. I realize it is a difficult concept, but just give it a try. You can't possibly do any worse.

As to the other quote; we'll cover both irony, and taking things out of context in our next lesson.

 

[Wolves-Lower]

For uphill finishes...let the Pro's decide.

On the other part of Helmets in general:

I often think the Safety Police take some things to far.
If the Government and our individuals are really obsessed with safety, then we should make all Cars Day-Glow orange, drivers should have three way harnesses and they would wear helmets whilst going to Wal-Mart.
Me, I find it so funny that Women’s rights have the "Right to Choose". But you ride your bike on a county rd in Iowa and some Safety Nazi is telling you to wear a helmet

 

[boardhanger]

For uphill finishes...let the Pro's decide.

On the other part of Helmets in general:

I often think the Safety Police take some things to far.
If the Government and our individuals are really obsessed with safety, then we should make all Cars Day-Glow orange, drivers should have three way harnesses and they would wear helmets whilst going to Wal-Mart.
Me, I find it so funny that Women’s rights have the "Right to Choose". But you ride your bike on a county rd in Iowa and some Safety Nazi is telling you to wear a helmet

It's European socialism at its finest. All cars can be restricted to the speed limit but that'd cost money outa certain peoples pockets. Cycling has become more popular past 10years. And we the cycling mass have been ripped off. I know. I've spent about 25,000 notes in the last decade at least. But some dimwald in York, England wants to tell me to shut up and stop complaining about it? The helmet ban in "pro cycling" is destroying the sport asthesically.

 

[dolophonic]

Really.... ?

 

[boardhanger]

Really.... ?

Yes. What is the caveman insticnt of sport? We're so controlled that persons like you have forgotton or have never known what sporting instinct is? If I wanna sail around the world without a life jacket thats my choice. If I wanna ride my bike helmetless then so be it. But no we gota conform to the idiot level of standard which all must abide by.......

 

[dolophonic]

You do not know me and i have made no judgment as far a wearing a lid is concerned so shut yer trap you feckin old git !

Ayn Rand
"Competition is a by-product of productive work, not its goal. A
creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to
beat others."

 

[boardhanger]

You do not know me and i have made no judgment as far a wearing a lid is concerned so shut yer trap you feckin old git !

Ayn Rand
"Competition is a by-product of productive work, not its goal. A
creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to
beat others."

Im not in argument with you here. Just un-ban the helmet rule. Let's grab freedom back. Before you know it you'll be required to wear a gas mask in a toilet considering the price of inflation on stupid laws that are comming outa Europe.

 

[Wallace]

Im not in argument with you here. Just un-ban the helmet rule. Let's grab freedom back. Before you know it you'll be required to wear a gas mask in a toilet considering the price of inflation on stupid laws that are comming outa Europe.

"Our freedom"? Are you a professional bike rider? Do you race? Is anyone forcing you to wear a helmet? The equation between what professionals are required to do as part of the regulations of their job, and what a free citizen can do in daily life is a false comparison. When you race you have to wear a helmet. It makes sense: you're going very fast in a group of riders. All kinds of things can happen. You don't hear pros arguing against the helmet rule. And I've never heard an amateur racer complaining. If you choose to race, which is a free choice, you have to abide by the regulations of the governing body. You can't ride a tricycle, and you have to wear pants, a shirt and a helmet. If you have a problem with any of that, don't race.

When you're out on your own you can have a snake duct-taped to your head and no one will interfere (as long as you aren't hurting the snake). As much as you'd like to work up some kind of cranky anti-government libertarian rant out of this, this has nothing to do with governments at all. Why don't you go teabag some other issue?

 

[boardhanger]

"Our freedom"? Are you a professional bike rider? Do you race? Is anyone forcing you to wear a helmet? The equation between what professionals are required to do as part of the regulations of their job, and what a free citizen can do in daily life is a false comparison. When you race you have to wear a helmet. It makes sense: you're going very fast in a group of riders. All kinds of things can happen. You don't hear pros arguing against the helmet rule. And I've never heard an amateur racer complaining. If you choose to race, which is a free choice, you have to abide by the regulations of the governing body. You can't ride a tricycle, and you have to wear pants, a shirt and a helmet. If you have a problem with any of that, don't race.

When you're out on your own you can have a snake duct-taped to your head and no one will interfere (as long as you aren't hurting the snake). As much as you'd like to work up some kind of cranky anti-government libertarian rant out of this, this has nothing to do with governments at all. Why don't you go teabag some other issue?

Well why bring the stupid law into effect in the first palce. I mean they make mandatory helmets then send us into crazy sprints finishes with a hairpin narrowing bend at the 500 meter to go mark WTF

 

[woodie]

Im not in argument with you here. Just un-ban the helmet rule. Let's grab freedom back. Before you know it you'll be required to wear a gas mask in a toilet considering the price of inflation on stupid laws that are comming outa Europe.

That bolded statement alone makes no sense. Un-ban the helmet rule? So by using a double negative and therefore using a positive you want to keep the helmet rule? You make no sense man, stop whining.

If you don't want to compete in crazy bunch finishes then don't race, pull out before the sprint or try to break away. Your arguments make no sense. Helmets are mandatory deal with it

 

[boardhanger]

That bolded statement alone makes no sense. Un-ban the helmet rule? So by using a double negative and therefore using a positive you want to keep the helmet rule? You make no sense man, stop whining.

If you don't want to compete in crazy bunch finishes then don't race, pull out before the sprint or try to break away. Your arguments make no sense. Helmets are mandatory deal with it

Nice try woodie go after the poster not the post Keep to the topic.

 

[woodie]

Nice try woodie go after the poster not the post Keep to the topic.

I was responding to the post. I was pointing out your gramatical mistake that contradics your whole argument and was responding to your post about crazy sprint finishes. I also think you are a troll and have nothing better to do than troll. I have responded all I have to in my previous posts which have responded to all your arguments.

 

[bobs nob]

One Question:

What WON'T we argue about like cats and dogs?

In general, I am opposed to impositions without good reason, but it's the intensity of the disagreement which never ceases to amaze.

 

[53 x 11]

"Our freedom"? Are you a professional bike rider? Do you race? Is anyone forcing you to wear a helmet? The equation between what professionals are required to do as part of the regulations of their job, and what a free citizen can do in daily life is a false comparison. When you race you have to wear a helmet. It makes sense: you're going very fast in a group of riders. All kinds of things can happen. You don't hear pros arguing against the helmet rule. And I've never heard an amateur racer complaining. If you choose to race, which is a free choice, you have to abide by the regulations of the governing body. You can't ride a tricycle, and you have to wear pants, a shirt and a helmet. If you have a problem with any of that, don't race.

When you're out on your own you can have a snake duct-taped to your head and no one will interfere (as long as you aren't hurting the snake). As much as you'd like to work up some kind of cranky anti-government libertarian rant out of this, this has nothing to do with governments at all. Why don't you go teabag some other issue?

I agree with this. However I do live in a country which by law requires me to wear a helmet to ride 100m down a path to the supermarket while simultaneously doing sweet f all to address the real safety issues facing cyclists. I regard this as stupid and insulting.

Racing is racing, helmets are fine.

 

[boardhanger]

That bolded statement alone makes no sense. Un-ban the helmet rule? So by using a double negative and therefore using a positive you want to keep the helmet rule? You make no sense man, stop whining.

If you don't want to compete in crazy bunch finishes then don't race, pull out before the sprint or try to break away. Your arguments make no sense. Helmets are mandatory deal with it

Woodie who are you to tell me to wear a helmet?? I''ll take my chance same as you. Okay then lets all wear air bags while racing becuse the same rule applies....:rolleye

 

[woodie]

Woodie who are you to tell me to wear a helmet?? I''ll take my chance same as you. Okay then lets all wear air bags while racing becuse the same rule applies....:rolleye

I'm not telling you to wear a helmet i'm just pointing out that it is mandatory in most countries and all racing. I have also tried to point out why they are important and neccesary but obviously you have no interest in listening to anyone else. You also didn't address the main point in my post but instead just changed the subject again. Have fun riding without your helmet

 

[VeloFidelis]

Well why bring the stupid law into effect in the first palce. I mean they make mandatory helmets then send us into crazy sprints finishes with a hairpin narrowing bend at the 500 meter to go mark WTF

Wow!! I agree, that sounds really dangerous. You should consider wearing a helmet.