Unbelievable!

[happychappy]

I wouldn't worry. There is nothing that glam about a pinto.

My good friend Big Black would beg to differ!

 

[Altitude]

You should have saved this thread title for when Clentador walks away without a ban

 

[dolophonic]

The sport will go nowhere with those morons in charge and making comments like so!

This is the kind of statement i find indicative of a weird set of puritanical beliefs some people hold aloft.
Cycling is a great sport and has been one for a long time. What kind of place do you want it to go? MLB? NFL? NASCAR? no thanks!

 

[Deagol]

How can one be so naive? Ethics takes a back seat to local hero worship. And many a Spaniard doesn't care about the Truth, just his results. It makes them feel superior. This is human nature.

That seems to be the "Elephant in the Room", doesn't it ?

 

[washedup]

It's not quite a garish as the Eastern Bloc domination in the 70's to 80's, but something is definitely in the water.

Or the Americans for that matter! I spoke to a member of the 84 track team who detailed the insane steps they took back in the day. Common knowledge stuff, but the fact of the matter is the USA would do whatever it took to win a medal.

 

[ultimobici]

Contador has now been made a "Honorary citizen" of Pinto even though he was caught with Clenbuterol and high levels of plasticisers in a test. So why is cheat being heralded as a hero?

The mayor of the town has said:“the victory of Alberto Contador is the triumph of honesty, sacrifice, effort and hard work every day.”

Then he also gets the backing of the the Spanish Cycling Federation and Spanish olympic Committee who are suppose to be fighting the war against doping/drugs.

Supposedly in the linked article it says that Valverde was given the same treatment.

Bunch of corrupt fools! It doesn't help when you have government ministers and heads of sporting bodies backing someone who has been caught with an illegal substance in his body.

The sport will go nowhere with those morons in charge and making comments like so!


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6...ives-other-Spanish-support.aspx#ixzz13k9ETGP6

Australia isn't all that proper in its treatment of dopers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Warne#Positive_test_for_banned_substance

 

[scribe]

Or the Americans for that matter! I spoke to a member of the 84 track team who detailed the insane steps they took back in the day. Common knowledge stuff, but the fact of the matter is the USA would do whatever it took to win a medal.

Back then, that stuff was seen as scientific progress, not cheating. It was only considered a problem when people realized the athletes might actually be getting permanently hurt from the substances.

 

[HoustonHammer]

Back then, that stuff was seen as scientific progress, not cheating. It was only considered a problem when people realized the athletes might actually be getting permanently hurt from the substances.

Plus it was in the defense of Truth, Democracy, Liberty and Cheeseburgers. So that makes it OK.

 

[straydog]

Back then, that stuff was seen as scientific progress, not cheating. It was only considered a problem when people realized the athletes might actually be getting permanently hurt from the substances.

No it was considered a "problem' when it was discovered that it actually worked.

And they weren't substances, it was a procedure (blood transfusing), which is carried out on millions of people everyday as part of legitimate medical treatment, perfectly safely.

PEDs and PE practices aren't banned because they aren't safe. They are banned because they enhance performance. There are plenty of fairly unhealthy "supplements" that are perfectly legal because quite simply they have absolutely no discernible positive impact on your performance.

 

[dolophonic]

Back then, that stuff was seen as scientific progress, not cheating. It was only considered a problem when people realized the athletes might actually be getting permanently hurt from the substances.

Your having a laugh ? "scientific progress" pull the other one it's got bell's on it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

wait a little...

ACF, how old are you?12?
common sense and law says this: "innocent until proved otherwise", it doesnt says "guilty until proved otherwise".

the thing about contador being a doper is just speculation so far (as the plastic stuff) so if all pinto's people are wrong, blind, stupid etc, you are much worse than all of them. you are also stupid blind and wrong because contador is not guilty (so far) and you dont have common sense or respect for the law and for those people.

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facts:
contador is the best stage racer with an amazing talent and palmares at 27. the clen did nothing to burst his performence. however, they should have waited a little (just to be good in the picture)

you obviously have no clue whatsoever about doping. It is not specualtion. he tested positive!

When you test positive, you don't get the privledge of innocent till proven guilty anymore in cycling. Nor should he. There has been too many doping cases to give him the benefit of doubt.

A positive control is no longer evidence of doping? When did that rule go into effect? Right around the time Aldirto returned his non-negative I suppose..

Thank you.

This is the kind of statement i find indicative of a weird set of puritanical beliefs some people hold aloft.
Cycling is a great sport and has been one for a long time. What kind of place do you want it to go? MLB? NFL? NASCAR? no thanks!

No, to be clean as possible!

Australia isn't all that proper in its treatment of dopers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Warne#Positive_test_for_banned_substance

shane warne is hardly a doper!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Relax.

Pablo Escobar, who among thousands of other murders, blew up an entire commercial airliner, men women and children, to try to kill a man who didnt even board, is seen as a saint in Meddelin- a real city of 1 million people. 20 000 people turned out for his funeral alone.

Pinto on the other hand is a tiny town south of Madrid of about 50 000 people. As a native son, Contador gets support from his people. Especially since his doping is still in theory unconfirmed. You think this is some great moral outrage?

Besides i have long been of the opinion that all top athletes dope. Contador is nobody compared to Nadal and the "founding fathers of Spain" - the name under which on current form, the football team will be known as in about 200 years.There is a lot of evidence that they dope. Contador gets caught because he gets tested PROPERLY. The others dont because their organisations are unwilling to test them as thoroughly. Is Contador really so much worse because his organisation isnt afraid to test him?

Moreover, as i believe most top cyclists dope, i find it difficult to tak it all out on the Contador Piñata.

When we live in a perfect doping free world, perhaps it will be UNFAIR (not outright outrage) that a doper gets a little support from his friends.

But in todays situation, both real world and sport, i just cant see the problem in such a minor gesture.

So his people support him for doing something wrong. Because everyone does it does not make it an excuse for lying nor for his friends/people to condone that.

Even if the doping theory is "unconfirmed", he still had a banned substance in that test.

 

[Marcus135]

I think this is a good thing for the sport. However they should have waited till he was confirmed innocent or guilty. If guilty left it and if innocent then given him this. To give it to him now just puts more support behind him that he may or may not deserve. If he is innocent then it is a good thing for the sport.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I think this is a good thing for the sport. However they should have waited till he was confirmed innocent or guilty. If guilty left it and if innocent then given him this. To give it to him now just puts more support behind him that he may or may not deserve. If he is innocent then it is a good thing for the sport.

So essentially you are saying that is is not a good thing because it was given to him before his innocence was proven?

 

[Hugh Januss]

shane warne is hardly a doper!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZEUuFSExYM

 

[Marcus135]

So essentially you are saying that is is not a good thing because it was given to him before his innocence was proven?

No im saying that they fact they choose to do this is a good thing for the sport. BUT they should have waited until the verdict is decided. If he is guilty then they should have done nothing but if he was not guilty then he should get the honorary citizenship. To do it now is not a good idea, they should have waited.

 

[auscyclefan94]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZEUuFSExYM

He took a ****ing fluid tablet for heaven's sake!

 

[Marcus135]

So essentially you are saying that is is not a good thing because it was given to him before his innocence was proven?

Im saying that the honorary citizenship is a good thing for the sport. But they should leave it until he is proven innocent to give it to him. So yes its not a good thing it was given to him wile a decision is still pending, they should have waited.

 

[Hugh Januss]

He took a ****ing fluid tablet for heaven's sake!

Oh yeah
That is all any of them ever do. One little thing the one time, only one mistake and I feel awful about it.

 

[hrotha]

He took a ****ing fluid tablet for heaven's sake!

He took a ****ing contaminated steak for heaven's sake!

 

[M Sport]

shane warne is hardly a doper!

The poster brings up an interesting comparison, Warne was most definitely a doper, in fact if you believe the bullsh*t story about his mum supplying the masking agent tablets (diuretics) then you are applying a massive double standard against Contador.

In fact you could even compare the treatment Pinto is giving Contador to the favourable treatment given to Warne by Australian teams allowing him to play some games during his suspension.

 

[workingclasshero]

Contador has now been made a "Honorary citizen" of Pinto even though he was caught with Clenbuterol and high levels of plasticisers in a test. So why is cheat being heralded as a hero?

The mayor of the town has said:“the victory of Alberto Contador is the triumph of honesty, sacrifice, effort and hard work every day.”

Then he also gets the backing of the the Spanish Cycling Federation and Spanish olympic Committee who are suppose to be fighting the war against doping/drugs.

Supposedly in the linked article it says that Valverde was given the same treatment.

Bunch of corrupt fools! It doesn't help when you have government ministers and heads of sporting bodies backing someone who has been caught with an illegal substance in his body.

The sport will go nowhere with those morons in charge and making comments like so!

i am not as upset as the australian over this, if you want defend your neighbour and mate then in my eyes fair play, but f*ck me, i can see how the statement about it being a "triumph of honesty" can be a bit provocative

 

[auscyclefan94]

The poster brings up an interesting comparison, Warne was most definitely a doper, in fact if you believe the bullsh*t story about his mum supplying the masking agent tablets (diuretics) then you are applying a massive double standard against Contador.

In fact you could even compare the treatment Pinto is giving Contador to the favourable treatment given to Warne by Australian teams allowing him to play some games during his suspension.

Warne is an overweight spin bowler who walks ten steps and bowls the ball. He hardly would need to dope to get through or bowl better. Fluid tablets would make sense especially of the hot South African sun beaming the players. His mum supplying him the drugs is irrelevant when comparing the two cases as we are talking about the drugs and their supporters themselves not the suppliers of the drugs.

 

[therealtimshady]

Warne is an overweight spin bowler who walks ten steps and bowls the ball. He hardly would need to dope to get through or bowl better. Fluid tablets would make sense especially of the hot South African sun beaming the players. His mum supplying him the drugs is irrelevant when comparing the two cases as we are talking about the drugs and their supporters themselves not the suppliers of the drugs.

hopefully graeme swann will banish the painful memories of warne - at least 600 of his wickets came against us i remember of which 400 were mike atherton

 

[Aguirre]

bad thread, again.

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