USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[Oldman]

Just because they had tested Wonderboy's blood does not at all mean they would have tested for PED's. Apples and oranges testing.

And the inquiry about what drugs one takes is all about avoiding deadly drug combinations going forward.

All that said, I believe Wonderboy spelled it out for whomever the mysterious medical staff was at the time. Most people are very deferential to medical doctors and that guy was very likely not in liestrong mode at that moment.

I was being obtuse having been a surgical patient before. You state what I would have expected and the medical team would certainly want to know of bad drug combinations, for one. Another reason to ask is to analyze the rate of cancer growth and possible contributions. The treatment would follow as a response. I think they did and he disclosed what he had taken as there was no reason to concern himself with a prospective ban on competition.

That makes the Andreu's recollection so much more believable as their inside history would give them that level of access and knowledge.

 

[thehog]

The funny thing is, for as busy as we all are, we all seem to have an awful lot of free time for the forum.


back on topic...what is next for wonderboy...? The evidence just keeps on rolling....is there a CAS or appeal in sight?

Some people go to church. I attend this forum.

 

[fasthill]

back on topic...what is next for wonderboy...?

Hire QuickStepper to do battle for him?

 

[jackwolf]

The funny thing is, for as busy as we all are, we all seem to have an awful lot of free time for the forum.


back on topic...what is next for wonderboy...? The evidence just keeps on rolling....is there a CAS or appeal in sight?

I can imagine the appeal:

CAS: "So what are you guys appealing?"
UCI: "The ruling in the USADA-Armstrong case"
CAS: "Any reasons?"
UCI: "Errr... well... hold on one second."
Damn, Pat, we didn't expect this question.
[Five minutes later] "No, not really. Just the ruling: we don't like it."
CAS: "I see. We'll get back to you."

 

[mewmewmew13]

Some people go to church. I attend this forum.

Hallelujah

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Hey Quickstepper, would you now quit spouting the ignorance that Lance was not offered the same deal as everyone else?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...ce-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1

 

[BYOP88]

Hey Quickstepper, would you now quit spouting the ignorance that Lance was not offered the same deal as everyone else?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...ce-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1

Nah, that's just cancer loving propaganda

 

[caryopsis]

Hey Quickstepper, would you now quit spouting the ignorance that Lance was not offered the same deal as everyone else?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...ce-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1

...and all the comments after the article, "why the eff didn't they tell him this earlier??"

 

[ggusta]

You know, when I want to buy something on Amazon not only do I wade through the positive reviews but I also like to look through the negative reviews as well. Then I decide if I want purchase the item.

It's kinda' like this thread. I want to read all of the opinions on here and not just the "Whoooooooah, we won!!!" opinions. So if all three of you could just quit your rather silly and pointless sniping at one another and just state what you want to say in a concise and factual manner-that would be great.

Then I'll decide which ones have merit-thank you very much ...

Total tangent.


Usuallu I always go to the negative reviews first since more of the positive reviews are paid for by the seller (although many negatives are paid for by the competitors too). In this Amazon of ideas, many of the pro-lance ideas seem to be bought and paid for (interns). But despite that, even an intern could (CONCEIVABLY) make sense. We get very little sense from interns, we get distortions, moral equivalency, distractions and straw men arguments ad nauseum.

The bottom line is they say (among a raft of stuff thrown at the wall) this changes nothing and in a way part of it's true in that a some of the evidence and the positive dope tests have been around for years.

And it also changes nothing in that the groupies by and large still cannot afford to face reality. I was a believer once. Heck, I'll bet most of the other people posting were once believers if not of Lance then of someone else who got busted.

The negative reviews just keep piling up from sources that have the ring of truth. And the positive reviews either make little sense, ignore the facts, or just generally sound artificial, like they are being written by someone with no attachment other than that they were hired to do it. People know the truth when they hear or see it. Whether they accept it or not is a different story. I have a neighbor that buys only one brand of car, and they are all garbage and are always broken. He doesn't care about the reviews, he has some allegiance I cannot relate to. I used to drive Ford's. They were garbage, now I drive Toyota against my sense of patriotism, but they are bullet proof.

I guess it just matters whether you will allow emotion to dictate what you buy or facts. Ask American car builders how that's working for them.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

...and all the comments after the article, "why the eff didn't they tell him this earlier??"

The comments make me pretty sure that we are the stupidest country on the planet.

 

[Kennf1]

The whole notion of a comments section on every article is one of the worst ideas in journalism in a long time. Why do news sources feel they have to be "interactive" to sell ad space?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

The comments make me pretty sure that we are the stupidest country on the planet.

I'm pretty sure that's never been up for debate...

 

[ÅSBJÖRN BENKT]

Hey Quickstepper, would you now quit spouting the ignorance that Lance was not offered the same deal as everyone else?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...ce-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1

its damage limitation. USADA are hugely embarrassed that armstrong didn't go to arbitration and gets stripped of 14 years worth of results. they know it looks patently unfair to all observers. their whole strategy was to go big on the charges on the basis it went to arbitration and CAS would maintain the eight year rule. the other riders are not getting eight years of results stripped anyway so what Tygart said here doesn't make sense even on those terms. the rumor is the UCI will help out the USADA by offering a compromise.

 

[ggusta]

The comments make me pretty sure that we are the stupidest country on the planet.

I've been to enough other countries to feel comfortable saying we're all pretty much equally stupid

 

[fasthill]

Lance:

Nobody needs to cry for me. I'm going to be great.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...-his-bike-as-storm-swirls-20120826-24uca.html

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm pretty sure that's never been up for debate...

Never been to the UK or Australia I see...

 

[BroDeal]

its damage limitation. USADA are hugely embarrassed that armstrong didn't go to arbitration and now have to strip him of 14 years worth of results. they know it looks patently unfair to all observers. their whole strategy was to go big on the charges on the basis it went to arbitration and CAS would maintain the eight year rule. the other riders are not getting eight years of results stripped anyway so what Tygart said here doesn't make sense even on those terms. the rumor is the UCI will help out the USADA by offering a compromise.

How is it going, BPC. Still trolling, eh?

Be careful. You'll end up in a crudely built shack in the wilderness, defending Armstrong's doping by scribbling letters to the editor by candle light with a a shock of hair and a beard that could be pruned into hedge animals. The newsmen will give you a crazy nckname like the Uniballbomber.

 

[jackwolf]

Well, according to the few loose articles we've read on the matter, it seems the situation at the moment is something like this:

UCI: "Sorry, USADA, Armstrong is still champion. It's up to us to decide and we decide we don't give a f*** about your ruling. Your ruling is unenforceable and Armstrong will forever be the champion."
USADA: "I'm terribly sorry, UCI, but you are wrong: Armstrong's titles are gone. Can't you see? It's written right here, in black and white."
UCI: "Well, you can stick your black and white up where the sun don't shine."
USADA: "Well, if you don't like it, you need to appeal to the CAS."
UCI: "No, YOU need to appeal."
USADA: "Appeal what?"
UCI: "Errr... it don't matter. Armstrong's still champion."
USADA: "No, he isn't."
UCI: "Yes, he is.
USADA: "Right, ASO, what do you think?"
ASO: "I don't know, guys; you sort it out between yourselves. We don't give a f***."

So does anybody have any idea what's going to happen next? Or is the Wikipedia article going to stay as it is now forever?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

How is it going, BPC. Still trolling, eh?

Be careful. You'll end up in a crudely built shack in the wilderness, defending Armstrong's doping by scribbling letters to the editor by candle light with a a shock of hair and a beard that could be pruned into hedge animals. The newsman will give you a crazy nckname like the Uniballbomber.

The mods have to know by now it's him. I cannot imagine why they haven't banned him yet. I guess they are buying the Sweden thing.

 

[MarkvW]

Well, according to the few loose articles we've read on the matter, it seems the situation at the moment is something like this:

UCI: "Sorry, USADA, Armstrong is still champion. It's up to us to decide and we decide we don't give a f*** about your ruling. Your ruling is unenforceable and Armstrong will forever be the champion."
USADA: "I'm terribly sorry, UCI, but you are wrong: Armstrong's titles are gone. Can't you see? It's written right here, in black and white."
UCI: "Well, you can stick your black and white up where the sun don't shine."
USADA: "Well, if you don't like it, you need to appeal to the CAS."
UCI: "No, YOU need to appeal."
USADA: "Appeal what?"
UCI: "Errr... it don't matter. Armstrong's still champion."
USADA: "No, he isn't."
UCI: "Yes, he is.
USADA: "Right, ASO, what do you think?"
ASO: "I don't know, guys; you sort it out between yourselves. We don't give a f***."

So does anybody have any idea what's going to happen next? Or is the Wikipedia article going to stay as it is now forever?

I'm still trying to figure out why it matters. Isn't it like arguing over who won a WWF or WWE wrestling match? We know that ALL the contenders doped and we know that the race was rigged to favor at least one rider (who got advance notice of tests).

What honor is there in the results?

 

[Pazuzu]

The comments make me pretty sure that we are the stupidest country on the planet.

As I stated previously, half of Americans don't believe in evolution or manmade global warming despite overwhelming evidence. It's no wonder we'd make a hero out of a cheat like Armstrong, and cling to that illusion beyond all reason. It's depressing.

 

[D-Queued]

...and all the comments after the article, "why the eff didn't they tell him this earlier??"

Which further underscore Chewie's observations

Travis: "Of course, this is still possible and we always remain open, because while the truth hurts, ultimately, from what we have seen in these types of cases, acknowledging the truth is the best way forward."

--> The option is still available!!!

No way Lance will go for that, of course. He isn't in to sharing.

Who was it who predicted a Waco, TX style burn it to the ground response?

They were right. Right out of the 'ain't the bike book', Lance is lighting a match to kerosene soaked tennis balls.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

As I stated previously, half of Americans don't believe in evolution or manmade global warming despite overwhelming evidence. It's no wonder we'd make a hero out of a cheat like Armstrong, and cling to that illusion beyond all reason. It's depressing.

Agree, P. it is depressing...

 

[TShame]

Lance Movie Scene

Apparently, Lance is the world's smartest man. Even Sherlock Holmes could not detect any of Lance's secret drug methods.

Scene for upcoming film: (based on today's article and its accusations)

Lance is sitting in his living room, smoking a pipe filled with steroids, hgh, and testosterone.

"About time for a workout. This way the press can't say I just jump on the bike and win races with drugs."

Johann: "I think you should go slower in the spring, then a bit faster in Switzerland. Make it look like you are slowly improving towards July."

The phone rings......"Oh hell, an unannounced doping control."

Lance "Johann, I need you to pee in this catheter. I just need enough to fill a dixie cup."

Johann "Should I get some clean blood from your jet?"

Lance "No, I have some in the down tube of my Madone."

Johann "Are you sure we should be doing all of this in front of the maid, the cook, and the gardener."

Lance "It's fine. Jose, the gardener is going to ride for us next year and the pool boy is going to make a great time trialist too."

Johann "Better practice your 'surprise' face. Last time you looked arrogant rather than shocked when the doping control guy came in."

Lance "Doping control. That's funny. How am I going to stop laughing. You are going to make me pee my shorts."

Johann "I'll make some more. Hand me that beer."

 

[jackwolf]

I'm still trying to figure out why it matters. Isn't it like arguing over who won a WWF or WWE wrestling match? We know that ALL the contenders doped and we know that the race was rigged to favor at least one rider (who got advance notice of tests).

What honor is there in the results?

So you mean this whole investigation was a waste of taxpayers' money?
I just want to see Armstrong finally out of Wikipedia. It would be nice to see them all out with the exception of Christophe Bassons and a few more, but since that's unrealistic, I'll settle for the biggest fraud of them all.