USADA-Armstrong Phase II

[MarkvW]

Report: Armstrong warned before all doping controls
By: Cycling NewsPublished: August 25, 19:45, Updated: August 25, 19:46
Again if true this is HUGE!
How did he pass hundreds of tests? He cheated with lots of help

And it is the AFLD saying it!

 

[montagna lunga]

Comment sections are no way to judge public opinion as there is software out there to bombard comment sections.

pfft...your (personally-selected) avatar
is more telling than your words,
would you have any sentient creature
believe you are a neutral, and objective observer?

 

[frenchfry]

Oh, that is what it is? I thought logic was "Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity" when really, it's cretinism. Wow. Good to know, good to know...

Cretinism is a condition of severely stunted physical and mental growth due to untreated congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones (congenital hypothyroidism) usually due to maternal hypothyroidism.

Cretinism therefore has nothing to do with thought processes or posting technique, except perhaps indirectly as a consequence of having the condition. I get what you mean though.

Although I try to be open to alternative ideas and opinions that don't necessarily coincide with my own, I am trying very hard not to respond to so called "cretinism" which unfortunately is on the increase lately. I suggest the same for others, maybe then it will go away.

 

[Benotti69]

pfft...your (personally-selected) avatar
is more telling than your words,
would you have any sentient creature
believe you are a neutral, and objective observer?

Why dont you research my avatar? Then get back to me

 

[l.Harm]

1. Because you didn't see those threads right here in the clinic? The information was there, you just had to look for it. There was much debate about the suspicous blood parameters he posted on internet, before they were modified then eventually taken off.

2. He wasn't stupid, he had the UCI in his back pocket and advance warning of controls. On top that, he had already had 2 positives covered up in the past. Plus a proven logistics setup and the best doping "doctor" on call. Why worry? The financial windfall came calling and he went for it.

1. I already thought that And I wasn't looking around here by then.
2. He already got some money I thought, so I don't really see a good risk/reward opportunity.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Cretinism therefore has nothing to do with thought processes or posting technique, except perhaps indirectly as a consequence of having the condition. I get what you mean though.

Although I try to be open to alternative ideas and opinions that don't necessarily coincide with my own, I am trying very hard not to respond to so called "cretinism" which unfortunately is on the increase lately. I suggest the same for others, maybe then it will go away.

I was aware of the definition.

To your point regarding ignoring them, fair enough.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ong-was-regularly-tipped-off-about-tests.aspx

Wow! This is the AFLD!

Armstrong was cheating at cheating! This is more corrupt than I ever imagined!

The problem here is twofold:
1. It is a suggestion by a French agency, and will have little to no traction in the US in the media or with fans who still believe in Armstrong.

2. I didn't read any proof of the assertion. Just a suggestion. If there is proof, I hope someone will supply it.

 

[frenchfry]

The problem here is twofold:
1. It is a suggestion by a French agency, and will have little to no traction in the US in the media or with fans who still believe in Armstrong.

2. I didn't read any proof of the assertion. Just a suggestion. If there is proof, I hope someone will supply it.

Light on the details, as you say hopefully there will be more proof coming.

ALFD had already made public a report with the same assertions, so this doesn't appear to be new information.

 

[D-Queued]

The Armstrong team certainly knew who most, if not all, the witnesses were and of course they knew what evidence was likely to be presented. This, assuredly, is the reason why arbitration was refused as they must have calculated that there was no way to get out of this unscathed. Because there was due process, not a lack thereof.

What is particularly curious is Armstrong's statement itself:

my teammates know who won those seven Tours

Yes, Lance, you are right.

And, guess what, they were going to testify that you didn't.

Dave.

 

[ElChingon]

Urban Dictionary Word of the day:

Lance Armstrong

A good laugh.

Can't wait for definition #17 to be added

 

[frenchfry]

What is particularly curious is Armstrong's statement itself:

my teammates know who won those seven Tours

Yes, Lance, you are right.

And, guess what, they were going to testify that you didn't.

Dave.

You must have been up all night to come up with that one!

 

[BroDeal]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ong-was-regularly-tipped-off-about-tests.aspx

Wow! This is the AFLD!

Armstrong was cheating at cheating! This is more corrupt than I ever imagined!

This is new. We knew from Jesus Manzano that Kelme and Postal were being tipped off in Spain about OOC tests due to friendships between team doctors and an individual in the Spanish doping agency There was a lot of shady stuff going on in 2010. But this indicates a more pervasive corruption. Unless Armstrong had a mole in the French agency then information was likely coming from the UCI itself.

A natural growth pattern for a corrupt governing body giving tip-offs to "protect the sport" would be for it to turn into a protection racket.

 

[Rainfox]

Everyone loses.

Armstrong, USADA, UCI, the fans, the critics, the sport of cycling.

Only by having the EVIDENCE out in the clear for everyone to see, is this thing over. Lance is receiving more support than I could ever imagine after his annonucement... and this is in Denmark, a cycling nation if any, home of Riis, Skibby and Holm - all confessed dopers - and ofcourse Soerensen (who moved to Italy when he was 17) who is still in denial and part of the omerta. That's an Italian thing, is it not? Pantani almost broke and then killed himself instead.

Everyone loses. Armstrong has been a personal inspiration to me (getting fit, living healthy) and as a lighthouse after losing several family members to cancer and recently having my mother encounter the disease (and win this first round), but I always knew he was on more than crackers and orange juice. I mean, really?

But everyone loses here. Livestrong lives on and that is important and good, but Lance Armstrong the rider and athlete gets away now.. when USADA could have cornered him and hung the dirty laundry OUT there to begin with.

Why not? Travis... is it coming? It better be.

This is not good enough.


PS: Indurain just came out in support of Lance. That I didn't see coming. Merckx, sure, but Indu? Wow. Again, he's not falling as deep as one would expect here...

 

[frenchfry]

This is new. We knew from Jesus Manzano that Kelme and Postal were being tipped off in Spain about OOC tests due to friendships between team doctors and an individual in the Spanish doping agency There was a lot of shady stuff going on in 2010. But this indicates a more pervasive corruption. Unless Armstrong had a mole in the French agency then information was likely coming from the UCI itself.

A natural growth pattern for a corrupt governing body giving tip-offs to "protect the sport" would be for it to turn into a protection racket.

Now I think of it, maybe the "old news" I referred to was a different year when the UCI took over testing and AFLD were reduced to the role of observers. In this article he appears to be talking about AFLD actually doing the testing which could be new. Hard to keep up!

 

[MarkvW]

This is new. We knew from Jesus Manzano that Kelme and Postal were being tipped off in Spain about OOC tests due to friendships between team doctors and an individual in the Spanish doping agency There was a lot of shady stuff going on in 2010. But this indicates a more pervasive corruption. Unless Armstrong had a mole in the French agency then information was likely coming from the UCI itself.

A natural growth pattern for a corrupt governing body giving tip-offs to "protect the sport" would be for it to turn into a protection racket.

No wonder McQuaid wanted to shut all this down.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

A natural growth pattern for a corrupt governing body giving tip-offs to "protect the sport" would be for it to turn into a protection racket.

That would explain the reactions from the peloton.

 

[Arnout]

and ofcourse Soerensen (who moved to Italy when he was 17) who is still in denial and part of the omerta. That's an Italian thing, is it not? Pantani almost broke and then killed himself instead.

Wouldn't say so. Remember, Simeoni is Italian and he played an integral role in getting bursts in Armstrong's image, by confessing.

Also, even though they indeed stay within the omerta, guys like Basso and Cunego have been a lot more open on doping than many others. One cannot target one country and say they're worse than others.

 

[the asian]

PS: Indurain just came out in support of Lance. That I didn't see coming. Merckx, sure, but Indu? Wow. Again, he's not falling as deep as one would expect here...

What more can you expect from ex dopers?

 

[86TDFWinner]

If you knew what Armstrong has done all his career, a jail might be considered to good for him by some.

I dont understand how people come in here pretending they dont know the extent of the doping never mind the abusive, bully behaviour Armstrong has committed on people like Betsy Andreu, Emma O'Reilly and Mike Anderson to name but a few.

I do, it's called: idiocy!!!! They can't cling to the fact that he's "innocent" anymore.....so they have to try another route. Sad people, idolizing a sad, pathetic, POS. They can have him.

 

[the asian]

No wonder McQuaid wanted to shut all this down.

Hopefully the USADA will make the evidence against UCI public forcing Pat to step down and Hein to get kicked out from the IOC.
Or will the UCI enter in to a deal with USADA and make sure they are not implicated but only embarrassed when the evidence of cover ups are released in exchange for not going to CAS and quickly recognizing the stripping of Lance's titles?

 

[ManInFull]

The problem here is twofold:
1. It is a suggestion by a French agency, and will have little to no traction in the US in the media or with fans who still believe in Armstrong.

2. I didn't read any proof of the assertion. Just a suggestion. If there is proof, I hope someone will supply it.

Yes, we need some proof. This claims are extremely powerful. I'm hoping that some journalists earns his paycheck by breaking this wide open.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Everyone loses.

Armstrong, USADA, UCI, the fans, the critics, the sport of cycling.

Only by having the EVIDENCE out in the clear for everyone to see, is this thing over. Lance is receiving more support than I could ever imagine after his annonucement... and this is in Denmark, a cycling nation if any, home of Riis, Skibby and Holm - all confessed dopers - and ofcourse Soerensen (who moved to Italy when he was 17) who is still in denial and part of the omerta. That's an Italian thing, is it not? Pantani almost broke and then killed himself instead.

The reason we have not seen the "evidence" yet, it is because Armstrong choose not to go to arbitration because he does not want the evidence for people to see.

Everyone loses. Armstrong has been a personal inspiration to me (getting fit, living healthy) and as a lighthouse after losing several family members to cancer and recently having my mother encounter the disease (and win this first round), but I always knew he was on more than crackers and orange juice. I mean, really?

But everyone loses here. Livestrong lives on and that is important and good, but Lance Armstrong the rider and athlete gets away now.. when USADA could have cornered him and hung the dirty laundry OUT there to begin with.

Why not? Travis... is it coming? It better be.

This is not good enough.

As for the cancer statement - there are plenty of cancer charities, many actually do practical things.
If his charity is good, then it will continue to get support regardless of having a fraud and cheat as its posterboy.

PS: Indurain just came out in support of Lance. That I didn't see coming. Merckx, sure, but Indu? Wow. Again, he's not falling as deep as one would expect here...

What would you expect another Tour winner from the EPO era to say?

 

[MarkvW]

Hopefully the USADA will make the evidence against UCI public forcing Pat to step down and Hein to get kicked out from the IOC.
Or will the UCI enter in to a deal with USADA and make sure they are not implicated but only embarrassed when the evidence of cover ups are released in exchange for not going to CAS and quickly recognizing the stripping of Lance's titles?

The problems, I think, are structural. Hein, and especially Pat, are just figureheads.

 

[Morbius]

MORBIUS

They may SAY they have proof, but they have shown nothing.
Not one piece of evidence was given to Lance's lawyers.
How can one prepare a defense if they were not given the upcoming "proof" or a list of alleged witnesses willing to testify in open court??

Armstrong had the opportunity to see the evidence but he declined.

Puttling this simply:
USADA said "we have evidence of doping. Do you want to see the evidence and challenge it, or do you want to simply give up in which case we will sentence you.
Armstrong said: I don't want to see the evidence. Do what you will.

The person you should blame about not seeing the evidence is Lance.

 

[MarkvW]

Armstrong had the opportunity to see the evidence but he declined.

Puttling this simply:
USADA said "we have evidence of doping. Do you want to see the evidence and challenge it, or do you want to simply give up in which case we will sentence you.
Armstrong said: I don't want to see the evidence. Do what you will.

The person you should blame about not seeing the evidence is Lance.

Lance wants the evidence kept quiet. That much is pretty darn obvious.