USADA - Armstrong

[ChewbaccaD]

The word you should be looking for is alleged.

No, I hear the Tri series thing is legitimate.

 

[thehog]

He didn't dope for them. It's not about the bike. Busted his veins 6 hours a day. What are you on? He was apparently on a pretty complex cocktail. Every junkie's like a setting sun. But they don't want him on the volcano now. Nobody uses junkies as marketing shills. Junkies attract more junkies. Nobody wants to see that anymore. Well, except Armstrong fans. They like the junkies.

Regardless of what happenes with USADA there's no coming back from this for Lance.

He's toxic. He will never show his face again at a cycling event.

He can do what he wants with Livestrong but just keep him away from cycling and especially keep him away from junior riders.

The man will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life. I hope he thinks it was all worth it.

He has simply become an embarrassment and the sport just pretends he never existed.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Regardless of what happenes with USADA there's no coming back from this for Lance.

He's toxic. He will never show his face again at a cycling event.

He can do what he wants with Livestrong but just keep him away from cycling and especially keep him away from junior riders.

The man will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life. I hope he thinks it was all worth it.

He has simply become an embarrassment and the sport just pretends he never existed.

And if this stops the LAF from being Lance's cancer shield and it then dedicates itself to helping people with cancer with our without him, that would be cool. He really could help that process (and by effect, actually help future cancer patients by saving his charity from the possible devastation of the coming arbitration) by just admitting what everyone (including his fans) know about him. But he doesn't care about cancer patients. He cares about Lance. And that is what makes him the worst junkie scum on the planet.

 

[MarkvW]

Regardless of what happenes with USADA there's no coming back from this for Lance.

He's toxic. He will never show his face again at a cycling event.

He can do what he wants with Livestrong but just keep him away from cycling and especially keep him away from junior riders.

The man will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life. I hope he thinks it was all worth it.

He has simply become an embarrassment and the sport just pretends he never existed.

Huh? Doesn't Armstrong own a stake in RSNT?

 

[Polish]

Regardless of what happenes with USADA there's no coming back from this for Lance.

He's toxic. He will never show his face again at a cycling event.

He can do what he wants with Livestrong but just keep him away from cycling and especially keep him away from junior riders.

The man will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life. I hope he thinks it was all worth it.

He has simply become an embarrassment and the sport just pretends he never existed.

Not suprising that the opposite of what you say is true.

The sport of cycling has become an embarrassment sigh, and it is best if Lance detaches for a while. History will remember the truth.

BTW, did you happen to observe the number of strong young French riders this afternoon at the Tour? A resurgence, a Renaissance if you will. All these new "John d'Arks - guess who inspired them? Yep, you guess Ricco.

 

[thehog]

Huh? Doesn't Armstrong own a stake in RSNT?

What and you think they'll be around next year? They can't even pay the riders! Lol!

Come on Mark. You're better than this.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Not suprising that the opposite of what you say is true.

The sport of cycling has become an embarrassment sigh, and it is best if Lance detaches for a while. History will remember the truth.

BTW, did you happen to observe the number of strong young French riders this afternoon at the Tour? A resurgence, a Renaissance if you will. All these new "John d'Arks - guess who inspired them? Yep, you guess Ricco.

Quite unlike the fat US Bank VP's riding Treks who only know cycling since 1999, the French have a long history with the sport. They don't need inspiration, they have tradition. That's why they will be so happy to get the junkie scum off of the top of their national race. Gonna be a party in Paris that day! Gonna get the worst junkie scum fraud off the trophy. Gonna get legit. Too legit to quit...break it down.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Quite unlike the fat US Bank VP's riding Treks who only know cycling since 1999, the French have a long history with the sport. They don't need inspiration, they have tradition. That's why they will be so happy to get the junkie scum off of the top of their national race. Gonna be a party in Paris that day! Gonna get the worst junkie scum fraud off the trophy. Gonna get legit. Too legit to quit...break it down.

Right on ChewbaccaD.

they are inspired by the greatness of the sport of cycling, not by the scumbag that lance armstrong is. In a few years, no one will remember who that arrogant ******* was. Only his blind ignorant fans will remember the scumbag Armstrong

 

[mewmewmew13]

There is only one person to blame for the timing, Armstrong.

This was meant to be processed quietly for a while.....but Wonderboy tried to spin the narrative to the Washington Post in a failed leak. That forced USADA's had.

Lance has made it clear that if he is taken down he will take the sport down with him......he doesn't realize that the sport does not care about him anymore

What a truly small man.

..and thanks for clarifying to folks why this played out in the timeframe it did.

 

[Merckx index]

It's very disappointing that the USADA would make this kind of misstep. Griffith was charged in March, and entered his Alford plea on June 12. As of the plea date, he assuredly should have been replaced on the review board. A comparison of his actions and Armstrong's is irrelevant. The USADA has to have and appear to have people of good judgement on the review board.

Armstrong is very unlikely to win on the facts of the case; here the USADA has needlessly given him points in a PR battle.

Agree. I'm guessing that the incident was hushed up pretty well, and that without going into a thorough background check, USADA had no way of knowing about this. After all, his plea would not have exactly been national news. Bigger cases than this often go unnoticed in much the same way (remember Senator Larry Craig and the gay sex solicitation in an airport restroom?)

But Griffith should have told them. The fact that he didn't doesn't reflect well on him, and IMO is actually more relevant to his judgment on legal matters than the harassment case itself was. He also should not have said one freaking word about the evidence or how he felt about it. If attacks like this by LA get someone to shoot off his mouth in return, those attacks may become more effective than we are giving them credit for. But the RB decision was unanimous, Griffith was not a deciding vote, as you say, this is about appearances.

I don't know how RB members are chosen, but arbs are chosen from a list that the parties usually pay the AAA for, costing around $1000-2000. If something like this comes up again--and it shouldn't--the AAA could probably be considered more accountable than USADA. But it will be critical to have someone with an impeccable reputation, because the vote might well go 2-1, with the deciders being USADA's choice and the arb picked jointly by USADA and LA's team.

 

[joe_papp]

He can do what he wants with Livestrong but just keep him away from cycling and especially keep him away from junior riders...

And to think he once "sponsored" (by lending his name to) the "Lance Armstrong Junior Olympic Race Series":

https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=936

 

[MarkvW]

What and you think they'll be around next year? They can't even pay the riders! Lol!

Come on Mark. You're better than this.

Lance is not going to voluntarily relinquish his role in cycling. It's too much a part of his identity. If he leaves the business, it will be an involuntary process.

 

[Polish]

And to think he once "sponsored" (by lending his name to) the "Lance Armstrong Junior Olympic Race Series":

https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=936

Good thing it was NOT the "Tyler Hamilton Olympic Race Series". That would have ackward. BTW, has the USADA ruled on Tyler's Medal yet? I know IOC was complaining months ago that the USADA were dragging their feet.

 

[Race Radio]

Huh? Doesn't Armstrong own a stake in RSNT?

No he doesn't

 

[Race Radio]

That's exactly the way I interpreted it as well. Harmon and Kirby must be on strict orders from the bosses above at Eurosport to stay away from discussing Lance at all costs. I can't say I blame them though. Eurosport want to bring in viewers to the sport and how are to going to do that if they are going to be talking about Lance all the time. They only want the good things to be talked about in cycling now.

Lance on twitter:



For a guy who claims he refuses to be distracted by it, he sure is tweeting a lot about it.

I am not sure if it was orders or they are just sick of talking about him. The tone of their voice was that they were sick of Armstrong and his doping dragging down the sport again.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Good thing it was NOT the "Tyler Hamilton Olympic Race Series". That would have ackward. BTW, has the USADA ruled on Tyler's Medal yet? I know IOC was complaining months ago that the USADA were dragging their feet.

No, Tyler had the common decency to go turn his medal in. Some people are honest enough that you don't have to make a ruling regarding their wins...sad that cancer Jesus isn't so honest, right...

 

[thehog]

I don't know how RB members are chosen, but arbs are chosen from a list that the parties usually pay the AAA for, costing around $1000-2000. If something like this comes up again--and it shouldn't--the AAA could probably be considered more accountable than USADA. But it will be critical to have someone with an impeccable reputation, because the vote might well go 2-1, with the deciders being USADA's choice and the arb picked jointly by USADA and LA's team.

The Executive Board including CEO nominates and selects the Review Borard on a set cretiera of technical abilities.

USADA was fully aware of Griffith and his incident.

 

[Race Radio]

Once Lance’s private investigators get finished with the gentlemen at usada they will understand what it means to play hardball.

Given Wonderboy's colorful personal life expanding the playing field to include the participants sexual escapades is not the most intelligent choice. The knife cuts both ways.

While it may be stupid tactical move I think it is great. It is actions like this that reinforce Armstrong's image as a petty, vindictive, thug. That one of his buddies launches threats of expanding the case outside of the courtroom is yet more evidence of desperation and thuggish behavior.

It has been obvious for months this a smear, threats, and harassment campaign would be part of his strategy. It will not change anything from USADA

 

[mewmewmew13]

I'm also expecting the smear campaign to get worse....as desperation escalates.
Money does not buy good taste and we will hopefully see the true Armstrong emerge more as this rolls along.

 

[thehog]

I hope he takes all with him...... as long as all includes the UCI!

 

[Race Radio]

RR, I don't think there has to be a definite known sanction in order to contest. When Contador’s positive was announced, there were multiple scenarios, ranging from no sanction to two years. The actual sanction was determined only at the hearing, and was dependent on the arbitrator’s weighing of the evidence.

With Contador the sanction was given by CAS because the Spanish Fed did not follow the rules.

As I understand it Armstrong now has to respond to USADA's decision by July 9th. After that they either sanction him or take him to AAA?

I should have all the answers on this by Monday.

 

[thehog]

I hope he takes all with him...... as long as all includes the UCI!

Maybe Lance will take the clinic down with him? Including Polish?

 

[fatandfast]

Agree 100%. Lance would be better off keeping his bleeping mouth shut and devoting his energies to his defense. The court of public opinion should not be his focus. I also agree he looks more sleazy attacking anyone and everyone publicly and that does make him appear more guilty. What he has to realize is that he's really not guilty yet until they can prove him guilty.

I wish you were right about him being innocent until proven guilty but your not .Pro cycling has never been clean. The all time greats have all doped. As cycling had its golden age Coppi vs Bartali both men used. Binda,user. Merckx busted.
Now people are pretending that pro racing was clean and now Armstrong upset everything,completely untrue.
The USADA has now decided that Armstrong shall stand trial. To get things off to a clean start they assembled a crack team,including a guy under investigation for sexual assault to review the case.

The outcome of Armstrong's case could award Tour wins to Ullrich and Ivan Basso both men dopers sanctioned by pro bike racing. Witnesses against Lance will included Hamilton, Landis,and Andreu all dopers.

Today Fabian Cancellara rode to a victory while riding for a team managed in part by Kim Andersen,doper.

Team Highroad run by a guy Rolf a doper. Cavendish gets a "speed coach" Zabel a doper. This is not six degrees of separation, not even close. The people pretending that Lance is the cause of everything just don't want to look at the sport.

 

[Anonymous]

I was not putting these two separate situations together like you have.
Once Lance’s private investigators get finished with the gentlemen at usada they will understand what it means to play hardball.

Yes, yes. The politics of personal destruction. If anyone out there is sitting on the fence regarding Lance and his guilt, then his latest actions should tell you everything you need to know.


Additionally, this is a Fabiani tactic and it is something he's extremely good at. If you are wondering where Fabiani is/has been then I think you now have your answer.

 

[Anonymous]

I am not sure you are saying that I have said Lance’s only defense is to smear someone but I have not made that assertion.
Lance will have a thorough defense. It will not be centered around smearing people. Additionally if some of these guys have something to hide or have questionable integrity issues surrounding them then why would they be in the position to make judgement decisions?

Wrong.

That's all he has as the truth is working against him.

Does he behave as an innocent person would?