USADA - Armstrong

[Catwhoorg]

Got acceptance and confession mixed up in my reading of the article.

 

[PedalPusher]

Armstrong picks one arbitrator from the approved list; USADA does the same; those two select a third arbiter from the list.

Or they both can defer and go with one arbitrator, who both agree on.

 

[college]

Maybe you can then explain to all of us why the sport of Golf chose to add themselves to the list of participating governing bodies. Let me help you, they don't want to be seen as a total joke like the above listed have become. Sure there is the fact that they were driving towards status as an Olympic sport (2016 I believe) but you don't hear any of the golf pros complaining. Quite the opposite.

usada was determined to be worthless for the other sports. They are not seen as a total joke as you state. Seems they have plenty of people following them and makeing plenty of cash.
"If you worried about falling off the bike, you'd never get on."

 

[Anonymous]

usada was determined to be worthless for the other sports. They are not seen as a total joke as you state. Seems they have plenty of people following them and makeing plenty of cash.
"If you worried about falling off the bike, you'd never get on."

Oops. You forgot the link for the bolded.

 

[Deagol]

usada was determined to be worthless for the other sports. They are not seen as a total joke as you state. Seems they have plenty of people following them and makeing plenty of cash.
"If you worried about falling off the bike, you'd never get on."

Is this the anger, denial, or bargaining stage ?

 

[soverylarry]

This usada life time ban for the doctors just proves the point that Lance is trying to make. It is a kangaroo court.

...which Kangaroo? oh yeah, the Kangaroo that was very much designed with major input from Lance's agent...c'mon College you're smarter than this.

 

[Microchip]

Have I ever mentioned how much I like kangaroos? Cool animal that kangaroo. Hoppy hoppity hop!!! And those pouches!!!! Man...

LOLOLOL!!!!

In reality though, what is he saying?

A kangaroo court could be:
An Australian Court
A Powerful Court
A court with Very Few Predators (no wonder he doesn't like it, he couldn't fit in there)

He may have something there you know, cuz his lawyers' submission had His Honour hopping mad.

 

[Deagol]

LOLOLOL!!!!

In reality though, what is he saying?

....

Sounds like he is trying to distract people via cliche...

Jealous hater, Vendetta, Witch-hunt, Kangaroo court, unconstitutional, ....

 

[thehog]

Now they will shape their PR for the fallout.

This is over. Lance is done.

Generally the fall never is never as exciting as one would hope. It’s just a collapse followed by disappearing.

 

[patricknd]

This usada life time ban for the doctors just proves the point that Lance is trying to make. It is a kangaroo court.

i thought floyd pointed that out years ago

 

[veganrob]

It is all over for Lance. He will never admit guilt though, just play the victim forever. Thinking only of himself and not be part of the solution to the problems in cycling. I am sure he never liked cycling it was only a vehicle for him to control others and make his millions. Livestrong just a facade to protect his guilt.
He is a small man. Very, very small man.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

The story about the ban has hit the AP.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CYC_ARMSTRONG_DOPING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Sounds like the Armstrong team was not prepared for this and is scrambling for what to say/do about it:

An Armstrong spokesman declined immediate comment on the USADA bans issued Tuesday.

Or maybe the new strategy is dive! dive! dive!

After all, that's what Ferrari and the other 2 seemed to do.

Speaking of Ferrari, that AP story reminds us he was already banned for life by Italian Cycling in 2002.

 

[Armanius]

I just finished reading the Cyclingnews write up about the doctors being banned for life, http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-del-moral-and-marti-banned-for-life-in-us-postal-case.

What I am failing to understand is why did it take over ten years to charge these guys regarding alleged violations that took place as early as 2000? Was there information that only surfaced recently?

Maybe the article was not detailed enough, but it sounds like according to the article, AND according to all the folks who are constantly claiming that Armstrong et al are dopers, there should have been plenty of evidence to conclusively do something about all the alleged doping in the early 2000's.

It's mind boggling that it's now 2012, and we are still dealing with this. Assuming Armstrong is dirty, why couldn't anyone charge him and bust him and the USPS entourage earlier?

 

[MacRoadie]

i thought floyd pointed that out years ago

Yes, but Floyd's a bitter, proven liar...

 

[MarkvW]

How is it correctable? Lance has to certify that he is or is about to be unjustly harmed by what the USADA is about to do. The harm is easy enough to show and assert. But the unjustly part is the conundrum. He has to convince the judge that the USADA process, to which he agreed and praised, is legally illegitimate; unconstitutional. Only way to get there rests on the whole USADA-is-a-"state actor" argument. But even then that argument seems premature - since they haven't acted yet. What's he going to do, argue that once they act (ban him) - that harm is irreparable? Why? He's retired from cycling, and he's not earning a livelihood from triathlons.

Maybe he's just trying to scare the USADA - warning them he will sue them for damages once they find him in violation?

A factual predicate is needed to establish a legal basis for an injunction. QS is pointing out that there was zero factual predicate. That would have been an easy way for the judge to deny the injunction (and an easy win for USADA). If Lance now supplies the factual predicate, then there is something to argue about, and things get more complicated.

To use a tennis analogy: QS described a clean winner that USADA had. Now Lance can anticipate that winner, and return the shot. The rally can then continue and the point will be decided another way.

 

[Oldman]

This usada life time ban for the doctors just proves the point that Lance is trying to make. It is a kangaroo court.

Someday you're going to have to make up your mind: is it a Witch Hunt or a Kangaroo Court? Either way the perps are bouncing, witches have been found and a stake is headed at the heart of the unkillable beast. It is over and is all TRUE, fella.

 

[thehog]

Comment section is telling:

Rob roberts on Jul 10, 1:37 PM said:
I am happy for all the misfortune coming his way. What Armstrong did was hoist a huge lie pn all of us, and become a "hero" based on drugs. I wish my life were that easy, and I could just lie my way to making millions and becoming a role model. Sorry Lance, you are a doper AND a liar and I hate you mostly for being a bald faced liar.

Rob roberts on Jul 10, 1:41 PM said:
@Rob roberts:
And one more thing, Lance: my older brother absolutely worshipped you. He had a brain tumor and you were his absolute role model. i am glad he died of his brain tumor before discovering his hero was a fake, a liar and a scam


http://www.businessinsider.com/lanc...-to-lose-his-doping-case-2012-7#ixzz20FK1MwRZ

 

[Oldman]

Yes, but Floyd's a bitter, proven liar...

I'll bet he's not as bitter as you'd like him to be. Not today.

 

[ManInFull]

Someday you're going to have to make up your mind: is it a Witch Hunt or a Kangaroo Court? Either way the perps are bouncing, witches have been found and a stake is headed at the heart of the unkillable beast. It is over and is all TRUE, fella.

Regardless of what happens, the evidence and sworn testimony need to be released so that we can all decide. For some reason, I still feel that Lance is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat on USADA....

 

[MacRoadie]

I'll bet he's not as bitter as you'd like him to be. Not today.

Wrong tree dude....

 

[ultimobici]

This usada life time ban for the doctors just proves the point that Lance is trying to make. It is a kangaroo court.

Not true. By ignoring the charges they automatically get a ban. Those are the rules. A kangaroo court would not have given them the opportunity to defend themselves and banned them immediately.

 

[henryg]

Yes, but Floyd's a bitter, proven liar...

and that would make him different from Armstrong how?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

A factual predicate is needed to establish a legal basis for an injunction. QS is pointing out that there was zero factual predicate. That would have been an easy way for the judge to deny the injunction (and an easy win for USADA). If Lance now supplies the factual predicate, then there is something to argue about, and things get more complicated.

To use a tennis analogy: QS described a clean winner that USADA had. Now Lance can anticipate that winner, and return the shot. The rally can then continue and the point will be decided another way.

Empty words.

What might that "factual predicate" actually be? It can't be more empty words.

 

[Oldman]

Regardless of what happens, the evidence and sworn testimony needs to be released so that we can all decide. For some reason, I still feel that Lance is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat on USADA....

Anything's possible but he can only join guys like Bonds, Clemens in the Bloated & Fraudulent athlete's Hall of Fame. My guess is Livestrong will need to enact some measures to remain workable and the endorsement spigot is dried up. Like the butler said in the movie, Trading Places: "it seems to me the way you hurt a rich person...is to make them poor."

 

[Deagol]

This is becoming a Kangaroo Defense.

Comments on a few sites I visit that have been pretty staunchly pro-Lance forever are now turning. There are still a few ostriches afraid to pull their heads out of the sand, still. They should realize that a steam-roller is coming.