USADA - Armstrong

[spalco]

Would anyone be nice enough to write a short recap where things stand right now, I haven't followed this case the last couple weeks?

 

[Microchip]

BAck on topic.

Microchip, the cartoons are great but perhaps you should open a separate thread for them.

Susan

Will do.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I will be glad to sticky it for you.

Susan

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

So, the hearing is in August 10th.

When do you think the judge will give his ruling? A week later? Another month later?

 

[Microchip]

Would anyone be nice enough to write a short recap where things stand right now, I haven't followed this case the last couple weeks?

Sure:

When Lance was 12 years old, he won ... wait ... here goes:
Lance's lawyers wrote 150 pages worth of a request to "Please stop USADA".
Judge Sparks threw it out within hours.
The lawyers shredded most of their first submission and re-submitted the request in alot less pages.
Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner came out publicly and questioned USADA's actions.
John McCain came out publicly and supported USADA.
Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, a lobbyist approached Jose Serrano about what USADA was doing.
A Livestrong representative said that the lobbyist's main intention was misunderstood because Livestrong's focus is on cancer.
A 2004 or 5 or 6 letter written from USADA and signed by Travis Tygart on Lance's behalf and used for his benefit in the SCA case became public knowledge.
USADA asked for evidence of the "500" or "600" tests which Lance claims to have had in his professional career.

 

[thehog]

I will be glad to sticky it for you.

Susan

Yay!!!



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[Berzin]

So, the hearing is in August 10th.

When do you think the judge will give his ruling? A week later? Another month later?

Hopefully the judge will rule that very day. Armstrong's suit isn't overly complicated, just a dramatic and theatrical attempt to derail the process.

The other thing is Armstrong already asked for and received a 30-day extension from the USADA. He will have to tell them soon after this court date, barring any unforeseen legal shenanigans by the presiding judge, if he wants to go ahead with the arbitration hearing.

The next couple of weeks will hopefully answer most if not all of our questions.

So far there has been nothing but deafening silence from the Armstrong camp. I hope this is a good sign.

 

[Race Radio]

Enough time to allow the UCI to try to insert themselves.

 

[red_flanders]

Enough time to allow the UCI to try to insert themselves.

That's fairly cryptic.

 

[Race Radio]

That's fairly cryptic.

It will be craptastic.

Armstrong got his criminal case dropped by not playing by the rules. So far the same tactic has failed badly with USADA. Attempts at political and legal interference have been exposed and ridiculed. Time to call in some favors.

Double down

 

[Microchip]

It will be craptastic.

Armstrong got his criminal case dropped by not playing by the rules. So far the same tactic has failed badly with USADA. Attempts at political and legal interference have been exposed and ridiculed. Time to call in some favors.

Double down

I don't know if to laugh or cry! Sounds as if the UCI can get through to USADA where no one else can...

 

[Microchip]

It will be craptastic.

Armstrong got his criminal case dropped by not playing by the rules. So far the same tactic has failed badly with USADA. Attempts at political and legal interference have been exposed and ridiculed. Time to call in some favors.

Double down

I'm not sure if this means he'll finally succeed with USADA... Does it?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I'm not sure if this means he'll finally succeed with USADA... Does it?

I'm thinking it sounds like he is raising the stakes so that when he comes crashing down the fallout will be even bigger.....


I hope.

 

[MarkvW]

So, the hearing is in August 10th.

When do you think the judge will give his ruling? A week later? Another month later?

Judge might rule right there. If the judge has questions, he might request more briefing.

Unlikely the judge will need more time just to figure stuff out.

 

[MarkvW]

I'm so tired of hearing how Armstrong got his case dropped. If anybody wants to rehash that some more, would they please do it in the other thread (where it belongs).

The "Armstrong as Evil Superhero" myth is so gross. The only reason that myth gets any traction is because pro bicycle racers make sheep look like pit bulls.

 

[BroDeal]

I'm thinking it sounds like he is raising the stakes so that when he comes crashing down the fallout will be even bigger.....

One of Armstrong's argument to the court was that the UCI has the responsibility of deciding whether to pursue a doping case. They do not think the USADA on its own should make the decision to prosecute a cyclist.

Maybe a statement or a brief from the UCI claiming that there is no reason to open proceedings against Armstrong.

 

[thehog]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycl...-USADA-only-wanted-Lance-Armstrong/56620818/1

The attorney for doctor Luis Garcia del Moral said that when USADA officials first approached them, they "said they do not really want to pursue (the doctor) but (wanted) to have his knowledge about Lance Armstrong cheating," said Juan de Dios Crespo Pérez, who is based in Spain. "But he declined because it would not be true. He has no current connection with Lance, so it would not cost him anything to say that, but it would not be true."

The doctor and his attorney are not telling the truth, USADA CEO Travis Tygart said in a statement. USADA said it has evidence that del Moral assisted cyclists with doping, including directly injecting riders with performance-enhancing drugs.

"Dr. del Moral is serving a lifetime ban for providing drugs to young cyclists, and nothing he makes up now in an effort to continue the cover-up of the USPS doping conspiracy will deter us from doing our duty to protect the rights of all clean athletes and the integrity of competition," Tygart said.

 

[MarkvW]

One of Armstrong's argument to the court was that the UCI has the responsibility of deciding whether to pursue a doping case. They do not think the USADA on its own should make the decision to prosecute a cyclist.

Maybe a statement or a brief from the UCI claiming that there is no reason to open proceedings against Armstrong.

Farm's argument is fundamentally stupid. If USADA really is just acting all on its own without any connection to the USOC or the UCI, then (a) what gripe could Armstrong possibly have; and (b) why didn't Farm bring USOC and/or UCI into the case.

RR's delay theory may have merit. Maybe Farm is waiting for help for his buddies in USAC and the UCI. Still, if USADA is operating under the USOC umbrella, I don't see how his USOC/UCI buddies can help him.

 

[MacRoadie]

"Dr. del Moral is serving a lifetime ban for providing drugs to young cyclists, and nothing he makes up now in an effort to continue the cover-up of the USPS doping conspiracy will deter us from doing our duty to protect the rights of all clean athletes and the integrity of competition," Tygart said.

Travis calls bull****...

 

[MarkvW]

Travis calls bull****...

Somehow, just somehow, I don't think that del Moral is ever going to demand that USADA show the world its proof.

I look at del Moral's statement like I look at Chris Horner's statement made just before he got named to the Tour squad. I hope he got some compensation for it.

 

[BroDeal]

Farm's argument is fundamentally stupid. If USADA really is just acting all on its own without any connection to the USOC or the UCI, then (a) what gripe could Armstrong possibly have; and (b) why didn't Farm bring USOC and/or UCI into the case.

RR's delay theory may have merit. Maybe Farm is waiting for help for his buddies in USAC and the UCI. Still, if USADA is operating under the USOC umbrella, I don't see how his USOC/UCI buddies can help him.

The argument is that Armstrong's UCI license gives the UCI the authority to review proposed discplinary proceedings. Also the UCI has responsiblity for results management and enforcing the statute of limitations. Armstrong will want to bypass the USADA by either getting an "all clear" from the UCI or using the UCI to prevent stripping him of his pre 2004 results.

The interesting question is whether the UCI will want to get involved. The smart thing to do would be to take a hands off approach, let the chips fall where they may, and blame everything on a past that is no longer relevant. McQuaid has never proven himself to be a smart man. Verbruggen still has a lot of infuence and seems dead set on avoiding besmirchment of his time in control.

 

[Berzin]

The interesting question is whether the UCI will want to get involved. The smart thing to do would be to take a hands off approach, let the chips fall where they may, and blame everything on a past that is no longer relevant.

McQuaid has never proven himself to be a smart man. Verbruggen still has a lot of infuence and seems dead set on avoiding besmirchment of his time in control.

Mcquaid and Verbruggen are both corporate hacks, with the same sense of entitlement, hubris, and lack of fundamental morals exhibited by your average Wall Street banker.

They don't owe Armstrong anything, and must first protect themselves before going out on a limb to help save Armstrong's neck.

As for appearances, Armstrong won his tours under both their reigns, so the further away they are from this mess the better. That is, unless Armstrong decides to throw them under the bus after he (hopefully) gets his titles stripped.

Both Fat Pat and Verbruggen can then claim they are the victims of a lying, disgruntled doper with no credibility who wants to bring everyone down with him.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Mcquaid and Verbruggen are both corporate hacks, with the same sense of entitlement, hubris, and lack of fundamental morals exhibited by your average Wall Street banker.

They don't owe Armstrong anything, and must first protect themselves before going out on a limb to help save Armstrong's neck.

As for appearances, Armstrong won his tours under both their reigns, so the further away they are from this mess the better. That is, unless Armstrong decides to throw them under the bus after he (hopefully) gets his titles stripped.

Both Fat Pat and Verbruggen can then claim they are the victims of a lying, disgruntled doper with no credibility who wants to bring everyone down with him.

Totally agree.

If LA had any sense of his expiry date, he would have had this charade dealt with long ago.

There is no way the UCI is going to play heavy after this last Tour, and with the Olympics going on.

The fact is, Lance is burning his media cache by the minute, and by prolonging the battle he's only losing gravitas. The UCI lawyers are not going to be ignorant to this fact.

Numbnuts signed a UCI/USAC license. He is subject to their testing protocols, and their penalties.

I don't even think he realizes he's lost so much already...

 

[MacRoadie]

Time to call in some favors.

Might have been a good idea to call in those favors before he was buried up to his eyebells in the ****...

 

[BroDeal]

Might have been a good idea to call in those favors before he was buried up to his eyebells in the ****...

The UCI tried everything it could to help Contador until it became public.