USADA - Armstrong

[Dr. Maserati]

I must have missed that allegation in the USADA announcement...

I've always said that the cover up of a positive test would be the biggest crime of all, and the one worth pursuing. It is also the thing that would really turn the American public against Lance. After all, Americans don't believe in following rules so much as they agree to suffer the consequences should they be caught violating those rules. (example: no one expects people to follow traffic laws, they just expect people to pay their fines when they get ticketed.) Buying one's way out of trouble is frowned upon...

You must have, as its right there on page 11
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf

Representatives of USADA have interviewed Dr. Martial Saugy, Director of the Lausanne Anti-doping Laboratory which analyzed the urine samples from the 2001 Tour of Switzerland. Dr. Saugy stated that Lance Armstrong's urine sample results from the 2001 Tour of Switzerland were indicative of EPO use.
Multiple witnesses have also told USADA that Lance Armstrong told them that he had tested positive in 2001 and that the test result had been covered up.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thats what everyone said about the last case that the federal prosecutor's dropped. Seems credible...lots of witnesses...more hincapie speculation even though hincapie denied he ever testified.

The Federal Case was dropped at investigation stage.

You do realize that Armstrong has been served by USADA in a formal action? - do you think they are going to turn around and drop it? "Hey Lance, can we have the papers back?"

It's the same thing, different agency. Witnesses are not enough because that would set a precedent that witness testimony is enough to strip someone from his title. So then any cyclist doper who has an ill will towards another cyclist can point the finger and get him banned.

Your homework for tonight is to google the case of Kyle Leogrande and see how he got on when there was "witness testimony" against him.

 

[BroDeal]

The guy in that costume has permission to marry my daughter when the day comes. It was such a brilliant statement. Il Diavolo with a LiveStrong aroma. Perfect!

Someone needs to find this guy so we can all chip in and buy him a year's supply of beer.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Can you guys stop feeding and encouraging the trolling....it's turning this thread into an annoyance.

 

[BroDeal]

ROTFL.

Slowtwitch has reached new levels of stupidity. Below is their petition to stop the USADA.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/stop-investigation-usada-lance-armstrong/FX0pVTLL

Another thead there encourages people to write their Congressperson to stop the USADA.

 

[ManInFull]

ROTFL.

Slowtwitch has reached new levels of stupidity. Below is their petition to stop the USADA.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/stop-investigation-usada-lance-armstrong/FX0pVTLL

Another thead there encourages people to write their Congressperson to stop the USADA.

Simply pathetic. And the "taxypayer money" spin is hilarious. I happen to think that the investigation will create a lot of private-sector billable hours, which is good for the economy!

 

[Captain Kirk]

ROTFL.

Slowtwitch has reached new levels of stupidity. Below is their petition to stop the USADA.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/stop-investigation-usada-lance-armstrong/FX0pVTLL

Another thead there encourages people to write their Congressperson to stop the USADA.

OMFG this is sooo sad.

Glad to back following the boards for the BEST reason of all !!

 

[Tyre Byter]

I hope Pierre Bordry had a bottle of the good stuff set aside
to uncork on this momentous occassion.

 

[wirral]

Is Lance launching a legal fund? If so, what are the bets it is named confusingly similarly to Livestrong so the altruistic anti-cancer donors don't really know which one they are donating to. Come to think of it, the lines are so blurred between the charity and Lance's personal finances that it doesn't really matter which cookie jar the money goes in to.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Twitter, the other white meat:

Sarcastic Tom ‏@sarcastitom

For all the clueless people defending Lance because he never tested positive, let me clarify what happened today: he tested positive.

Bump. This has to get wider coverage.

 

[thehog]

This is the best quote of all time on Huffington Post article:

"He underwent extensive chemotherapy for metastatic testicular cancer which had also spread to his brain so he had brain surgery as well.
Probably the chemotherapy changed his bone marrow so much that the usual tests are going to show some unusual results.
I don't know about all the allegations and legal ramifications, but probably chemotherapy is going to have long lasting effects on his bone marrow, and so his blood tests aren't going to look like everyone else's."

- yep that's it. Case closed.

 

[woodburn]

A video of Juliet Macur talking about it on Anderson Cooper on CNN earlier:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=h.../ac-intv-armstrong-doping-allegations-mpg.cnn

She seemed really wishy washy on the massive evidence against lance and didn't fully explain the difference between the federal investigation and usada.

 

[thehog]

This is the best quote of all time on Huffington Post article:

"He underwent extensive chemotherapy for metastatic testicular cancer which had also spread to his brain so he had brain surgery as well.
Probably the chemotherapy changed his bone marrow so much that the usual tests are going to show some unusual results.
I don't know about all the allegations and legal ramifications, but probably chemotherapy is going to have long lasting effects on his bone marrow, and so his blood tests aren't going to look like everyone else's."

- yep that's it. Case closed.

Actually this one tops it off:


39 minutes ago (11:17 PM)
What priorities we have: Some guy has managed to beat some other guys riding bikes. Other guys said he used chemical enhancements. They have been saying this for years.

Meanwhile, every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes. That's one child every five seconds.

None of them even got a chance to ride a bike.

 

[Jeremiah]

Actually this one tops it off:


39 minutes ago (11:17 PM)
What priorities we have: Some guy has managed to beat some other guys riding bikes. Other guys said he used chemical enhancements. They have been saying this for years.

Meanwhile, every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes. That's one child every five seconds.

None of them even got a chance to ride a bike.

Now because of USADA they'll never get that chance.

 

[Jeremiah]

She seemed really wishy washy on the massive evidence against lance and didn't fully explain the difference between the federal investigation and usada.

I think Lancelot uh, how do you say politely, got to her too!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Can we not just put an asterix next to every race from 1990 whatever to 2000 whatever. Say everyone doped, the winners won on a fair playing field (even though it wasn't), sponsors still got their advertising, athletes, teams, races all got paid...what's the problem? Full amnesty offered for directors, doctors, athletes, up to present day offences. Any current riders, managers, doctors, need to provide info of what they are doing now or if they are caught by other means ban them from the sport for life.

Because that doesn't change a single thing. How many times has the ASO/UCI said "Year 2xxx is the year of the new clean peloton...."? Not only has nothing changed at the UCI, This goes all the way up to the IOC. My signature has some useful history about the IOC and EPO.

 

[WinterRider]

That sounds like they want to telegraph LA that, "yes, we remember the bribe, and really, it wasn't us who leaked it, but now, since it's out there, we have to follow the rules. You really should have paid off USADA, too."

Anyway, I never thought I would see the day. Finally, we see some action following Floyd's revelations. It's about time.

I remember the day when Floyd came out. The forum was a fun place then. Maybe it's time for me to come back from my CN forum retirement. It seems fitting somehow.

Having lurked here for many years, I'm glad to see you back. I always enjoyed your posts.

 

[Cervelo77]

Thats what everyone said about the last case that the federal prosecutor's dropped. Seems credible...lots of witnesses...more hincapie speculation even though hincapie denied he ever testified.

It's the same thing, different agency. Witnesses are not enough because that would set a precedent that witness testimony is enough to strip someone from his title. So then any cyclist doper who has an ill will towards another cyclist can point the finger and get him banned.

All I can say is they better have a whole lot more than a few of the disgruntled ones from Postal and Disco days, otherwise they don't have enough. If multiple means Tyler and Floyd I'm going to be mighty disappointed.

 

[BroDeal]

Will this give the Italians the green light to proceed against Ferrari? That would be a knockout blow.

 

[WinterRider]

She seemed really wishy washy on the massive evidence against lance and didn't fully explain the difference between the federal investigation and usada.

It was a terrible interview. She was grasping for straws as to what year the supposed positive tests were in. It was like she hadn't even read any of the material.

 

[WinterRider]

All I can say is they better have a whole lot more than a few of the disgruntled ones from Postal and Disco days, otherwise they don't have enough. If multiple means Tyler and Floyd I'm going to be mighty disappointed.

They have stated more than ten, so at least 11 eye witnesses. Obviously they will all be from the same dirty teams lance was on or else they would not have witnessed anything, but it is probably a slam dunk.

 

[frizzlefry]

She seemed really wishy washy on the massive evidence against lance and didn't fully explain the difference between the federal investigation and usada.

The difference between the Federal investigation and USADA's investigation is the Feds were looking to prove a criminal act had occured(ie, tax evasion, misappropriation of gov money etc..). USADA is not looking to prove a criminal act, they are only looking to prove evidence of doping.

 

[MarkvW]

All I can say is they better have a whole lot more than a few of the disgruntled ones from Postal and Disco days, otherwise they don't have enough. If multiple means Tyler and Floyd I'm going to be mighty disappointed.

The letter said that they received full cooperation from all the riders--except Lance. It looks like there are a lot of very 'gruntled' riders who are lined up to testify against Lance.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Many, many, sore losers.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

The letter said that they received full cooperation from all the riders--except Lance. It looks like there are a lot of very 'gruntled' riders who are lined up to testify against Lance.

As you say, the prospect of being cleared themselves will have been enticing. They obviously thought they were in real trouble. It does sit a little uneasy. With the guys we know spoke against him, it must be remembered that Landis volenteered to dope, before Bruyneel had asked him,, and Hamilton was doping before Armstrong was on the team, but it looks like Armstrong is going to be lined up as the fall guy for an era. He could be quite beastly to them at times, so he does deserve it you know....

This is going to put a black cloud over cycling for years to come. I can already feel the dread of the Eurosport commentators having to deal with this one at the Tour of Switzerland tomorrow.