USADA - Armstrong

[college]

He did that all by himself.

That is not what I wrote and I would appreciate it if you did not make such claims.

There is no reason to make fun of someone without the same point of view as yours.

 

[JA.Tri]

Ah, .....

seconded!

A relative newcomer (may be longtime lurker) bursting to prominence like a super nova in the firmament. Not much bank of credibility...yet.

That may be demonstrated in time to come.

 

[Anonymous]

No rough time for me scott. Maybe a rough time for usada after the federal government cut's the budget on them and then the federal oversight ends up cutting the folks in charge of this great goose chase.


Floyd is a liar. Also if someone ever reads his twitter account they might get the impression he is either having mental issues or under the influence.

And yet here you are.

Maybe you are on to something there with the Feds. Any evidence for that or is this another opinion out of thin air?

 

[pedaling squares]

College, I didn't change any of your words. It's hard not to slip up and use words like drug when you're talking about your friend. A smart guy like you knows that the past tense of drag is dragged, so it must have just been a Freudian slip, right?

What is carp diem by the way? A new fish dish?

 

[TheMight]

That is because they had a lot more info on Basso & Ullrich (&Valverde) than just DNA, they had money transfers & what products were used.
It is all about the evidence gathered - which is why AC (which may have been Colom) walked and why some got done.

Well all that and then CONI took interest in those cases. If it was up to Spain, all of those guys would have walked.

 

[stainlessguy1]

I have only 1 point. The 1999 tests cannot be used to prove any anti doping offences. Anti doping rules make that evidence worth nothing and if it is part of their case it could serve to destroy it for violating their own rules. Rules for retrospective testing were adopted after 1999 plus there are statutes of limitation on some tests. The recent claims might however serve to prove an offence but I doubt they can take all his wins away. If the limitation was 7 years he is still the winner from 99 to 2004 which he would only lose 2 tours?

maybe that is true , maybe they can take away more tours , but one thing remains , he and everyone else that put him on a pedestle , cant say he was the greatest ever. For the sociopath that he is and his bullying of other athletes with threats while racing alone should acount for more races being DQ'd . Red card him for unsportsmanlike .

 

[college]

And yet here you are.

Maybe you are on to something there with the Feds. Any evidence for that or is this another opinion out of thin air?

Well it is all just opinion at this time. The letter is just a letter and there has not been any hearing at all so basically any opinion I have is just as good as yours.

I am not sure why you are focusing in on me.

 

[college]

College, I didn't change any of your words. It's hard not to slip up and use words like drug when you're talking about your friend. A smart guy like you knows that the past tense of drag is dragged, so it must have just been a Freudian slip, right?

What is carp diem by the way? A new fish dish?

No I am not that smart so I used the word drug instead of dragged. I’m very sorry for not being able to keep up with the correct grammar for the forums.

So it is my oppinon that Lance is the only cyclist being dragged down by usada.

 

[straydog]

From the 15 page USADA letter:

This is more than he said, she said and way more than Floyd.

No Mas....It is exactly he said, she said.

"First hand knowledge" does not for one second indicate anyone saying "I saw Armstrong doping". First hand knowledge is Betsey "saying" she heard stuff in a hospital room regarding HGH use pre 1996. Or "I found a bottle in a medicine cabinet", or "he asked me to deliver a bottle of something".

"Eyewitness" testimony is I "saw" (the clue is in the eye bit) him doping. Seriously Mas, is that all you have got to argue about?

And to College: Dude, don't let them get to you. They're harmless really. They get worked up a bit fantasising about Lance in all kinds of scenarios, and they are just coming to terms with him not getting charged by the Feds. They number about 12. Let's see once this has all passed if their number even remotely approaches 3,518,283 followers on twitter and elsewhere.

 

[pedaling squares]

Well it is all just opinion at this time. The letter is just a letter and there has not been any hearing at all so basically any opinion I have is just as good as yours.

I agree with you here. It is too early to cast judgement. So why all the noise about cover ups, abuse by USADA, personal vendettas, and the need to involve Congress?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

This is nothing more than a vendetta against Lance. It has all the makings of personal agenda’s against one cyclist.
For all the avg. Joe’s out on the street they have no idea who USADA is and what they do. What they do know is that LiveStrong and Lance have done good things all across America. Lance will fight this because he has done nothing wrong.
There are some very bitter and jealous pro cyclists out there that want to cause harm to Lance.

Your living in a dream world mr. College guy. The clinic crowd has triumphed lmao

 

[Race Radio]

Funny, as soon as one is banned another one shows up to clog the toilet

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No I am not that smart so I used the word drug instead of dragged. I’m very sorry for not being able to keep up with the correct grammar for the forums.

So it is my oppinon that Lance is the only cyclist being dragged down by usada.

I think Joe Papp might correct you about other cyclists being "dragged down" by USADA.
However, if you mean Lance Armstrong is the only rider being done in the Lance Armstrong case, then you may be on to something.

 

[Race Radio]

No Mas....It is exactly he said, she said.

"First hand knowledge" does not for second indicate anyone saying "I saw Armstrong doping".

You are welcome to pretend this is the case, but it is not.

USADA has multiple riders and staff who have said they watched lance dope.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Funny, as soon as one is banned another one shows up to clog the toilet

Backwash....

 

[Race Radio]

Speedos rejoice, Lance can race USAT races.

What is next? Gran Fondo's with Rumsas?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No Mas....It is exactly he said, she said.

"First hand knowledge" does not for second indicate anyone saying "I saw Armstrong doping". First hand knowledge is Betsey "saying" she heard stuff in a hospital room regarding HGH use pre 1996. Or "I found a bottle in a medicine cabinet", or "he asked me to deliver a bottle of something".

"Eyewitness" testimony is I "saw" (the clue is in the eye bit) him doing something. Seriously Mas, is that all you have got to argue about?

And to College: Dude, don't let them get to you. They're harmless really. They get worked up a bit fantasising about Lance in all kinds of scenarios, and they are just coming to terms with him not getting charged by the Feds. They number about 12. Let's see once this has all passed if their number even remotely approaches 3,518,283 followers on twitter and elsewhere.

Ah, first hand knowledge is first hand knowledge.
And it involves at least 10 people.

PS you're right,met are only 12 people here and we have each viewed this thread 10,000 times over 2 days.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No Mas....It is exactly he said, she said.

"First hand knowledge" does not for second indicate anyone saying "I saw Armstrong doping". First hand knowledge is Betsey "saying" she heard stuff in a hospital room regarding HGH use pre 1996. Or "I found a bottle in a medicine cabinet", or "he asked me to deliver a bottle of something".

"Eyewitness" testimony is I "saw" (the clue is in the eye bit) him doing something. Seriously Mas, is that all you have got to argue about?

Hardly "he said she said." Both qualify as testimony with perjury consequences.

You certainly aren't an American lawyer. So, set this joker to ignore too.

 

[patricknd]

I really don't understand what tanget you are going on with "precedent" because that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

The case is about how somebody got away with doping for 15 years without getting caught by the testing procedures. We know this, but the general public does not. Go read some of the stuff on the comments sections on ESPN, etc. This is what I mean by saying it is an indictment on testing in sports in general in the eyes of the public.

It's mostly BS in that testing can be beaten and there is incentive to cover up positives. This is human nature. This is the argument I used when FL got caught when jingoistic clowns were saying the French set him up. That's crazy....the last thing they should have wanted was for a TdF champion to fail a drug test. Just because that time it was exposed is the exception...it was luck that AC's AAF came to light for example.

Do you think the athletic agencies around the world are glad to see this, coverups and worthless testing programs? I highly doubt it. So in terms of self preservation, and what is really the point here on this stuff that happened long ago in a peleton full of dopers, I just don't get. IMO the benefit is not worth the pain, and there will be alot of pain before this is over.

and if the testing doesn't catch cheats how many of the "positives" are false as well? i don't think that they are but to joe sixpack.....

 

[straydog]

You are welcome to pretend this is the case, but it is not.

USADA has multiple riders and staff who have said they watched lance dope.

yes I read that too...."multiple" being more than one....so possibly just two....the super heroes Floyd and Tyler.

Honestly, if USADA weren't clutching at straws and hoping he'd cave, they would have released the exact number and even possibly names, instead of trying to sound ominous with the word "multiple". What they are hoping is that Lance is as gullible as some on here seem to be.

 

[college]

I agree with you here. It is too early to cast judgement. So why all the noise about cover ups, abuse by USADA, personal vendettas, and the need to involve Congress?

I just happen to think that it will end up destroying usada. I am not saying that I know who or what might do something I was only making suggestions at what may happen.

 

[D-Queued]

Ok let me rephrase: How is it possible that he has had so many tests done on him & still never been convicted.. the cover up speaks for itself.

Perhaps that is why USADA is pursuing it, n'est-ce pay?

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The Obfuscation machine will be full gas for the next year. Gotta give hope to the groupies

Well observed.

Simple ecomonics lesson - how to preserve the most of one's ill-gotten gains when the ill-gotten mechanism is about to be exposed.

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LA will not lay down on this.

But he already said that he would!

Is Lance Armstrong Finished Fighting

Which follows from the May 3, 2012 edition

http://archive.mensjournal.com/in-the-june-issue-lance-armstrong

"...On the ongoing investigation by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency:
“In my mind, I’m truly done. You can interpret that however you want. But no matter what happens, I’m finished. I’m done fighting. I’ve moved on. If there are other things that arise, I’m not contesting anything. Case closed.”"

Case closed indeed.

Dave.

 

[Pedaaldanser]

So I guess that's why there's all those references that the doping CAUSED his cancer. How reliable is that theory?

I was thinking about that myself. Of all the doping he took I can imagine that hGH is the most likely to have a link to cancer. According to the USADA letter he took hGH only up until 1996... so maybe he considered it risky too. Although according to the same letter Bruyneel and the doctors were still handing it out from 1999 to 2007.

 

[straydog]

Hardly "he said she said." Both qualify as testimony with perjury consequences.

You certainly aren't an American lawyer. So, set this joker to ignore too.

perjury?...since when is any of this taking place in a court of law?

not being a lawyer makes you put me on ignore....your logic is sound my friend....clearly you are one.

And if ignoring dissenting voices to your fantasies is what makes it easier for you to have them....then please be my guest

 

[D-Queued]

Speedos rejoice, Lance can race USAT races.

What is next? Gran Fondo's with Rumsas?

That is very funny. Maybe with Horner's license?

Too bad your joke will be lost on some.

Dave.