USADA - Armstrong

[aphronesis]

Still, the big question is whether or not Armstrong is going to contest the USADA proceedings.

It looks like Lance isn't going to pay anyone else's legal freight. It's 'every man for himself.'

It looks like Lance is trying to kill USADA. He's claiming that USADA has no jurisdiction over him.

This is really full ***.

I wonder what's going to happen with respect to the Co-Cons (and disclosure of the facts relating to them).

Why would he pay their legal freight? None of them are in the country. Simply to keep them from not contesting? Wouldn't you think that given the way in which the USADA defined the conspiracy, it would simple enough for him to separate himself from the the co-conspirators?

 

[Microchip]

... Armstrong thinks the process is unfair because he is unable to corrupt it.

Too funny!

 

[Microchip]

Many of the witnesses voluntarily came to USADA with info prior to the Landis emails. Some of them are not even riders. When they talked to the Feds they requested that Travis attend the meetings.

Try to keep up.

I've seen this mentioned before. I'd thought that it was his Comeback that set in motion what is happening now. Looks like it was going to come anyway. Interesting!

 

[Anonymous]

Why is it not double jeopardy? I mean i really hate this cheater, but it sounds reasonable defense

I'm no attorney but the charges aren't the same. The Feds were going for criminal conspiracy. The USADA is just going after doping in sport and the doping conspiracy back to 1999.

 

[MarkvW]

Wait, so they are bringing into question the entire anti-doping process? Big ramifications for everyone if successful.

Yeah. Lance is trying to take down USADA. No doubt about it.

 

[Microchip]

Now that this injunction has been filed, what happens now? How soon will there be a response to it?

 

[MarkvW]

Why would he pay their legal freight? None of them are in the country. Simply to keep them from not contesting? Wouldn't you think that given the way in which the USADA defined the conspiracy, it would simple enough for him to separate himself from the the co-conspirators?

I'm thinking that Lance wants to suppress the info that USADA has as much, if not more, than he wants to 'keep' his TdF wins. If the others don't fight, then it is only a matter of time until the scope of the conspiracy is revealed.

 

[Marva32]

Why is it not double jeopardy? I mean i really hate this cheater, but it sounds reasonable defense

There was no criminal prosecution brought, therefore there is no jeopardy. Investigation does not mean anything

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah. Lance is trying to take down USADA. No doubt about it.

Perhaps, but he better put his big-boy pants on.

If this is all he has he's in for an *** whipping.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

All this....
I wonder how the fanatics can be so blind to adore such an a$$hole. A non doper would never ever got onto such strange ways, risking all his assets just to keep the lie alive.

Sorry guys, you are big fools. I have no better words for it. Why don´t you have a brain?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

There was no criminal prosecution brought, therefore there is no jeopardy. Investigation does not mean anything

Ahh, ok. It means only if the fed investigation was going to court, and Armstrong would have been acquitted, it would be double jeopardy. Now this leads to another Q: Why then does his attorneys try it anyway? The only way i can think of it is; they know they have the judge in the bag. Hope USADA realizes it, and make a challenge on grounds of bias against this Austin buddy.

 

[Race Radio]

Ahh, ok. It means only if the fed investigation was going to court, and Armstrong would have been acquitted, it would be double jeopardy. Now this leads to another Q: Why then does his attorneys try it anyway? The only way i can think of it is; they know they have the judge in the bag. Hope USADA realizes it, and make a challenge on grounds of bias against this Austin buddy.

Billable hours and they want to put as much doubt as possible in the public's mind so when he is stripped of his titles he can still sell running shoes to the groupies

 

[aphronesis]

I'm thinking that Lance wants to suppress the info that USADA has as much, if not more, than he wants to 'keep' his TdF wins. If the others don't fight, then it is only a matter of time until the scope of the conspiracy is revealed.

Right, Mark, that was inherent in my question. But if this tack (and the next several attempts) fail he can ultimately separate himself from the co-conspirators. In which case--in theory--there's no testimony against them that needs to be given against him. If you've read the previous depositions (or even if not) it's no stretch to envision the ways in which his attorneys would block any testaments that pertain to him at every step.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Why is it not double jeopardy? I mean i really hate this cheater, but it sounds reasonable defense

1. Charges were never filed in the federal case, thus he has never been subjected to a proceeding.

2. The USADA case is a private proceeding, wholly and completely outside of the US court system.

Double jeopardy is merely another piece of **** thrown against the wall to see if it will stick.

 

[MarkvW]

Now that this injunction has been filed, what happens now? How soon will there be a response to it?

I expect a motion to dismiss filed within the next 20 days. There may be injunction hearings earlier.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Billable hours and they want to put as much doubt as possible in the public's mind so when he is stripped of his titles he can still sell running shoes to the groupies

If it would be only that, i could easily live with it. Those guys live in a sect. They are beyond remedy anyway.

 

[frizzlefry]

Still, the big question is whether or not Armstrong is going to contest the USADA proceedings.

It looks like Lance isn't going to pay anyone else's legal freight. It's 'every man for himself.'

It looks like Lance is trying to kill USADA. He's claiming that USADA has no jurisdiction over him.

This is really full ***.

I wonder what's going to happen with respect to the Co-Cons (and disclosure of the facts relating to them).

He's not claiming USADA has not jurisdiction over him. he's challenging USADA's protocol and accountability for investigating athletes.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Billable hours and they want to put as much doubt as possible in the public's mind so when he is stripped of his titles he can still sell running shoes to the groupies

1. Charges were never filed in the federal case, thus he has never been subjected to a proceeding.

2. The USADA case is a private proceeding, wholly and completely outside of the US court system.

Double jeopardy is merely another piece of **** thrown against the wall to see if it will stick.

I also thank you. Now i am a little bit relieved.

 

[Race Radio]

Wonderboy's complaint claims USADA committed tortious interference with Armstrong's contract with the UCI. After what he did to LeMond Wonderboy is an expert in Tortious Interference

He has gone full ***

 

[PotentialPro]

Don't forget, the USADA has limited funds. If they get tied up in court, they can run up bills on both sides. Perhaps there should be a way to donate to USADA so they have funding for research, prosecution and the like.


Someone posted in the SKY discussion about wanting transparency on all blood and urine tests. The same thing goes here on Armstrong, even with supposed transparency it is difficult to catch anyone. A direct positive is very hard to find.

 

[MarkvW]

Right, Mark, that was inherent in my question. But if this tack (and the next several attempts) fail he can ultimately separate himself from the co-conspirators. In which case--in theory--there's no testimony against them that needs to be given against him. If you've read the previous depositions (or even if not) it's no stretch to envision the ways in which his attorneys would block any testaments that pertain to him at every step.

If he separates himself from his co-cons and leaves them to hang . . . they might alter their approach to Lance and the case.

Lance's facts and the facts of each of the co-cons are all intertwined. If Lance wins his battles, he's done. I doubt that he'll have any legal right to engage in the proceedings of the others.

But I expect that the federal judge is going to tell Lance: "You might have a good argument against USADA, you might not. But you have to exhaust the USADA process before you take anything into federal court. I have no jurisdiction over these proceedings and your case is not ripe for adjudication."

 

[MarkvW]

Wonderboy's complaint claims USADA committed tortious interference with Armstrong's contract with the UCI. After what he did to LeMond Wonderboy is an expert in Tortious Interference

He has gone full ***

Where can the complaint be found?

 

[aphronesis]

If he separates himself from his co-cons and leaves them to hang . . . they might alter their approach to Lance and the case.

Lance's facts and the facts of each of the co-cons are all intertwined. If Lance wins his battles, he's done. I doubt that he'll have any legal right to engage in the proceedings of the others.

But I expect that the federal judge is going to tell Lance: "You might have a good argument against USADA, you might not. But you have to exhaust the USADA process before you take anything into federal court. I have no jurisdiction over these proceedings and your case is not ripe for adjudication."

It's not so much a matter of leaving them to hang. Which one of them do you suppose is going to come to the states and contest it? If the "co-conspirators" don't then it would seem that the approach to him would have to be altered.

The facts are not intertwined other than on paper. They are not intertwined, however at the level of testimony. Even, I would simply guess here, for the staff--as opposed to riders--who may be witnesses who dealt more with the logistics rather than face to face intimidation, exhortation, encouragement, etc.

You don't need a thousand dollar an hour lawyer to shut down these distinctions.

 

[MarkvW]

It's not so much a matter of leaving them to hang. Which one of them do you suppose is going to come to the states and contest it? If the "co-conspirators" don't then it would seem that the approach to him would have to be altered.

The facts are not intertwined other than on paper. They are not intertwined, however at the level of testimony. Even, I would simply guess here, for the staff--as opposed to riders--who may be witnesses who dealt more with the logistics rather than face to face intimidation, exhortation, encouragement, etc.

You don't need a thousand dollar an hour lawyer to shut down these distinctions.

If you believe the conspiracy allegations, the facts are intertwined. If you don't believe the conspiracy allegations, then the facts are not intertwined.

 

[zigmeister]

Don't forget, the USADA has limited funds. If they get tied up in court, they can run up bills on both sides. Perhaps there should be a way to donate to USADA so they have funding for research, prosecution and the like.


Someone posted in the SKY discussion about wanting transparency on all blood and urine tests. The same thing goes here on Armstrong, even with supposed transparency it is difficult to catch anyone. A direct positive is very hard to find.

Although they are funded primarily via the Federal government to the tune of around $10M/year. This wouldn't stop them from soliciting more funds from the Feds to fund their little rendezvous with Armstrong and his co-conspirators.

Albeit, they are not a "State Actor" on behalf of the Feds, it could be maybe proven they are, thus, they need to follow and provide the rights under the Constitution to Lance and company. Their case would be worthless at that point, as the Feds already found out.

But, since they are not a State Actor, or classified as such right now, they have the ability to just forgo any normal procedures and right guaranteed under Laws of the US, and decide what they please to meet their agenda.

Which, I they will in the end. It is just a farce and circus the entire thing. Whether true or not, they don't follow any legal process as the civil/criminal courts/laws dictate.