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Ninety5rpm said:
I don't feel that. I think LA hires only Fanboy lawyers who say what he needs to hear. Who else would have come up with 80 pages of crap like that? Tell Armstrong he has no case? You're gone!

I also disagree with those who think the judge implied there was something of merit in what was filed, and LA just needs to cut out the crap.

The judge definitely said LA needs to cut out the crap, because that's required to see if there is anything of merit in what is being filed.

The second part I obviously agree with, and have said. The ruling by the judge is much more than a "go file again with fewer words." He made it known that he doesn't find much of merit in their motion.

As to the first, my experience with attorneys is that they are all as realistic with their clients as they can be. Jackie Chiles is not the reflection of attorneys I know. If you want someone more narcissistic than Lance, then find an attorney. Ahmm. The ones that get paid the big bucks are not pushovers for anyone. Just because you're honest with your client about chances (the precedent here is pretty firmly against him...though I don't think terminally so) doesn't mean you don't tell him he has a chance with X, and rarely will they say "we have a __% chance." But all the ones I know (and I know some good ones) are realistic with their clients. Realistically, Lance's case is ****. I'm not saying there is no way you are right, but I am willing to bet they have been much more realistic than you suggest.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
No jokes here doc. Teflon Pharmstrong always found a way. We have to suffer and have to shiver with fear until it´s finally over. Then, only then we can diss him once and for all and forever... I long for this day since 1999.

What we need are for Armstrong's victims to put together a sort of "Los Pepes" type of vigilante squad.

We can call it Los PePLAs-PEople Persecuted by Lance Armstrong. They can start by firebombing the Yellow Rose.
 
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Race Radio said:
Apparently Lance's paid liars have refiled. It will be interesting to read the abridged version as I suffer through the other 3 documents and found nothing that made any sense.

Lance agreed to play by USADA's rules. Multiple rulings over the years have found that not just USADA but also their various USOC entities, are not state actors.

What am I missing? Talking points are not a defense.

I don't think you are missing anything. I went over several case today researching to see if they have any VALID claims, and I give a lot of leeway when reading arguments, and I can't find ANY legitimate with Lance. State actor is a dead issue. He can cite all the irrelevant decisions with other case and circumstances, but there are plenty of cases on point specifically regarding USADA or USOC bodies being non state actors.

If you have a link on the refile please post.
 
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Race Radio said:
Apparently Lance's paid liars have refiled. It will be interesting to read the abridged version ...

Perhaps the Font size will have to be very large for their response to fill out at least 1 page.

:)
 
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QuickStepper said:
Was there any doubt that he would refile the complaint? I would anticipate that it will be re-filed tomorrow or by Wednesday at the latest, in order to allow Judge Sparks (and his law clerks) sufficient time to research the claims and if the Judge is so inclined, to set a hearing on the TRO application for sometime before the 14th of July deadline. Alternatively, Sparks could simply issue a TRO and set it for hearing on whether or not a Preliminary Injunction should issue, pendente lite (i.e., for the duration of the litigation) until after the trial and judgment are entered.Or, he could once again determine that there's not enough meat there and simply dismiss it outright for many of the reasons that some people upthread have suggested (i.e., no subject matter jurisdiction, no state action, etc.).

I am still somewhat surprised after reading the entirety of the complaint, that Judge Sparks did what he did, but then again, it's Texas and they do what they want sometimes in Texas. Had this been filed in a California U.S. District Court (there'd be no basis for venue of course, so this is just a rhetorical example. . . but I'm just saying), based on my own more than 30 years of practice in federal courts here, I cannot think of any federal judge before whom I've appeared that would have dismissed this complaint on the basis that it contains too much information, since Rule 8 dismissals are usually reserved where there is a failure to allege enough. But upon re-reading the complaint in this instance, it's certainly not a model of clarity, and I can fully appreciate Judge Sparks' frustrations with it, because it refers to "Defendants" in the plural and yet none of the causes of action (denominated "Counts") identifies which defendant in particular is the subject of the three claims that are set out. There is roughly 70 pages of "Introductory" and "factual" allegations that precede the 3 counts contained in the complaint, and as the Order notes, much of it could be greatly condensed.

Those guys at Patton Boggs are going to be busy tonight re-editing the document to comply. Should be interesting to see what gets re-filed.

Do you not think in citing Iqbal/Twombly, he was saying just that there was too much bulls*&t, and nothing but conclusory fluff (meaning too little) after you whip that away?
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
That quote made national news here in the US. Pity 65% of Americans don't know what that means.

Was it a ESPN-Poll? I know there are idiots running around all the time. They don´t even grasp your own game (Football), just ask "Alpe" and "on3m@".

Jesus, i hope some intelligent men have the power over Vandenberg & Malmstrom Air Force Base. :eek:
 
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QuickStepper said:
Yikes. Whichever side of the issue you're on, I don't think anyone predicted a Rule 8 dismissal.

Here's the text of the 3 page Order signed by the Judge this afternoon. (sorry for any formatting errors, but this is cut-and-pasted from a PDF document):


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
AUSTIN DIVISION
LANCE ARMSTRONG,
Plaintiff,
-vs-
TRAVIS TYGART, in his official capacity as
Chief Executive Officer of the United States Anti-
Doping Agency, and UNITED STATES ANTIDOPING
AGENCY,
Defendants.


ORDER
Filed 2012JUL.9 PH 2:45
tjos
Case No. A-12-CA-606-SS


BE IT REMEMBERED on this day the Court reviewed the file in the above-styled cause, and specifically Plaintiff Lance Armstrong's Complaint [#1], his Motion for Temporary Restraining Order [#2], and his memorandum [#3] and exhibits [#4] in support thereof. Having reviewed the documents, the relevant law, and the file as a whole, the Court now enters the following opinion and orders DISMISSING Armstrong's complaint and motion WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 8(a) requires that a plaintiff's complaint contain "short and plain" statements of both the basis of the court's jurisdiction, and the plaintiff's legal claim for relief. Likewise, Rule 8(d)(1) states, "Each allegation must be simple, concise, and direct." The Supreme Court has recently held that "a complaint must contain sufficient factual matter, accepted as true, to 'state a claim to relief that is plausible on its face." Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009) (quoting Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 570 (2007)). Rule 8 prescribes a middle ground of specificity, not requiring " detailed factual allegations," but demanding "more than an unadorned, the-defendant-unlawfully-harmed-me accusation." Id. (quoting Twombly, 550 U.S. at 555). Thus, "a pleading that offers 'labels and conclusions' or 'a formulaic recitation of the elements of a cause of action will not do," Id. (quoting Twombly, 550 U.S. at 555), nor will a complaint rife with argument and "other things that a pleader, aware of and faithful to the command of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, knows to be completely extraneous," Gordon v. Green, 602 F.2d 743, 745 (5th Cir. 1979). Ultimately, what Rule 8 demands is a short and plain statement of detailedfacts, not a mechanical recital of boilerplate allegations, nor as is more relevant here a lengthy and bitter polemic against the named defendants.

Armstrong's complaint is far from short, spanning eighty pages and containing 261 numbered paragraphs, many of which have multiple subparts. Worse, the bulk of these paragraphs contain "allegations" that are wholly irrelevant to Armstrong's claimsand which, the Court must presume, were included solely to increase media coverage of this case, and to incite public opinion against Defendants. See, e.g., Compl. [#1] ¶ 10 ("USADA's kangaroo court proceeding would violate due process even if USADA had jurisdiction to pursue its charges against Mr. Armstrong.").Fn 1 Indeed, vast swaths of the complaint could be removed entirely, and most of the remaining paragraphs substantially reduced, without the loss of any legally relevant information.

Nor are Armstrong's claims "plain": although his causes of action are, thankfully, clearly enumerated, the excessive preceding rhetoric makes it difficult to relate them to any particular factual support. This Court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong's desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement, or vilification of Defendants, by sifting through eighty mostly unnecessary pages in search of the few kernels of factual material relevant to his claims.

Accordingly, Armstrong's complaint, and his accompanying motion, are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, for failure to comply with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The Court grants leave to amend, provided Armstrong can limit his pleadings to: (1) the basis for this Court's jurisdiction; (2) the legal claims he is asserting; (3) against which Defendants each claim is being made; (4) the factual allegations supporting each claim; (5) a brief statement of why such facts give rise to the claim; (6) a statement of the relief sought; and (7) why his claims entitle him to such relief.Fn 2. Armstrong is advised, in the strongest possible terms, and on pain of Rule 11 sanctions, to omit any improper argument, rhetoric, or irrelevant material from his future pleadings.

Accordingly,

IT IS ORDERED that Plaintiff Lance Armstrong's Complaint [#11, and his Motion for Temporary Restraining Order [#2], are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE to refiling;

IT IS FINALLY ORDERED that Armstrong shall file any amended complaint within TWENTY (20) DAYS of entry of this order, or this case shall be closed and dismissed for failure to prosecute, and for failure to comply with this Court's orders.

SIGNED this 9th day of July 2012.
SAM SPARKS LI
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

________________________
fn 1. Contrary to Armstrong's apparent belief, pleadings filed in the United States District Courts are not press releases, internet blogs, or pieces of investigative journalism. All parties, and their lawyers, are expected to comply with the rules of this Court, and face potential sanctions if they do not.

fn 2. The Court expresses no opinion whether Armstrong actually has a legally cognizable claim against Defendants; it concludes only that his current pleadings are insufficient under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

In case anyone missed this. Is it posted in full anywhere else on the web yet?
 
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QuickStepper said:
You raise an interesting point, i.e., could the judge just sit on the TRO Application until after the 14th of July (assuming the complaint is timely re-filed)? The answer is "yes" the judge could do that, but I dont' think it's something that any federal judge would do, no matter who the defendant and plaintiff are if there is a real, live justiciable controversy and the harm that will be sustained is truly imminent and will cause irreparable damage to someone.

But I suppose it's within the realm of the possible, and like petitioning an appellate court for a writ of mandate (which isn't automatic by any stretch of the imagination), sometimes courts just don't act in a timely fashion for all sorts of reasons that mere laymen will ever really know or be able to discern.

Also interestingly (though I think you're correct, the judge will, because of the timeline, not hold his ruling until after July 14th), Armstrong would be in the position to play pure chicken with USADA because any answer/decision on his part about what to do in relation to a request for arbitration would be a recognition that the process is indeed legitimate enough to answer. That deflates much of his argument right there.
 
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PedalPusher said:
If you have a link on the refile please post.

It will likely look something like this

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Velonation has it:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-substantial-modifications.aspx#ixzz20AuSxL7T

The judge demands:

(1) the basis for this Court's jurisdiction; (2) the legal claims he is asserting; (3) against which Defendants each claim is being made; (4) the factual allegations supporting each claim; (5) a brief statement of why such facts give rise to the claim; (6) a statement of the relief sought; and (7) why his claims entitle him to such relief.

Okay:

(1) What could they conceivably argue is the basis for the Federal Court's jurisdiction?
 
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Berzin said:
What we need are for Armstrong's victims to put together a sort of "Los Pepes" type of vigilante squad.

We can call it Los PePLAs-PEople Persecuted by Lance Armstrong. They can start by firebombing the Yellow Rose.
Careful there, my friend.
 
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Race Radio said:
Apparently Lance's paid liars have refiled. It will be interesting to read the abridged version as I suffer through the other 3 documents and found nothing that made any sense.

Lance agreed to play by USADA's rules. Multiple rulings over the years have found that not just USADA but also their various USOC entities, are not state actors.

What am I missing? Talking points are not a defense.

If you're referencing a twitter post, go to the link. It is funny.
 
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You would have thought that Lance would have learned his lesson the first time.

When David Walsh published LA Confidential Lance tried the same move. Wait until the last minute then file some B.S. lawsuit in France. Judge saw right through it, tossed it out, and charged Lance court costs

Hopefully he will wise up and stop wasting taxpayer money
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Do you not think in citing Iqbal/Twombly, he was saying just that there was too much bulls*&t, and nothing but conclusory fluff (meaning too little) after you whip that away?

No, I don't. Every judge (or attorney moving for a dismissal, say for example in a 12(b)(6) motion) makes reference to the standards set forth in Iqbal/Twombley in ruling on a pleading motion. I find nothing surprising about that, and I wouldn't read very much into it either, especially since the Court's order states explicitly that the Court is not making any determination on the merits of whether or not Armstrong does or doesn't have a claim. That of course remains to be seen, if, as and when he refiles.
 
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thehog said:
Surprising he hasn't tweeted the filing. The judge will be ****ed all that the filing in full was released to the media. They would have went against him. If I was Armstromg I'd think hard about the refille. Luskin should think hard about it it will probably effect him in terms of reputation than Armstrong.

Still can't see how a judge would even review it until its played out in arbritration.

I am pretty sure the first thing his attorneys told him when they got the judges dismissal was "Give me your f*&king phone, and if we see you near a computer, we are going to f*&king kill you. If you even think the word 'tweet" we will drop you like a bad habit." Armstrong might try to flame some yahoo like me, or even play games with Novitsky, but you don't f*&k with a federal judge. Period.
 
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thehog said:
Time to get Sparks down to the Yellow Rose for some 1 on 1 time with Lance.

Straighten out a few things and remind him who's the Boss.

Where's Polish with: Judge Sparks SSDD.
Maybe they could have a nice, quiet dinner in Aspen........table for twelve.
 
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thehog said:
More to the point this is not about Floyd Landis. It's USADA taking action against Lamce Armstrong based on the rules agreed by both parties.

So close, I now dub him Lamece Armstrong.
 
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