USADA - Armstrong

[BroDeal]

This may be total BS but I got this from a Slowtwitch thread.

Just two hours ago I got text from a buddy, who was eating lunch at a local watering hole, and next barstool over was none other than Floyd Landis.

My buddy started a conversation with Floyd, who was railing on Lance with the bartender. Floyd told my friend that he is being dragged into the Lance thing, and that his lawyer says that Floyd has to testify or face jail time... granted Floyd might be full of **** still, can USADA put anybody in jail? My buddy invited Floyd to ride mountain bikes with us sometime so we'll see if that happens.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This may be total BS but I got this from a Slowtwitch thread.

Just two hours ago I got text from a buddy, who was eating lunch at a local watering hole, and next barstool over was none other than Floyd Landis.

My buddy started a conversation with Floyd, who was railing on Lance with the bartender. Floyd told my friend that he is being dragged into the Lance thing, and that his lawyer says that Floyd has to testify or face jail time... granted Floyd might be full of **** still, can USADA put anybody in jail? My buddy invited Floyd to ride mountain bikes with us sometime so we'll see if that happens.

Testifying is the least Landis can do to clean up the mess to which he contributed.

 

[thehog]

This may be total BS but I got this from a Slowtwitch thread.

Just two hours ago I got text from a buddy, who was eating lunch at a local watering hole, and next barstool over was none other than Floyd Landis.

My buddy started a conversation with Floyd, who was railing on Lance with the bartender. Floyd told my friend that he is being dragged into the Lance thing, and that his lawyer says that Floyd has to testify or face jail time... granted Floyd might be full of **** still, can USADA put anybody in jail? My buddy invited Floyd to ride mountain bikes with us sometime so we'll see if that happens.

Can safely say this is BS....

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Testifying is the least Landis can do to clean up the mess to which he contributed.

And who was the first former professional to pull the lid off of the stinking pile of dung that was doping in pro cycling. Nobody before had ever been that honest.

 

[MarkvW]

And who was the first former professional to pull the lid off of the stinking pile of dung that was doping in pro cycling. Nobody before had ever been that honest.

And nobody before had ever been able to see the rich financial possibilities of a qui tam lawsuit.

 

[BroDeal]

LOLZA. Loved this line in the Gawker article.

If stripped of his titles, Armstrong would have his official profession downgraded to "Sheryl Crow's Ex-Boyfriend Who Loved Bikes."

http://gawker.com/5924468/lance-arm...us-anti+doping-agency-to-ease-up-off-his-jock

 

[MarkvW]

Can safely say this is BS....

It wouldn't be the USADA thing, because they don't have compulsory process. It wouldn't be his qui tam (if it still exists), because he wouldn't be complaining about it.

The only thing I can think of is that (a) there is another GJ going on out there, or (b) this is complete BS.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

LOLZA. Loved this line in the Gawker article.

If stripped of his titles, Armstrong would have his official profession downgraded to "Sheryl Crow's Ex-Boyfriend Who Loved Bikes."

http://gawker.com/5924468/lance-arm...us-anti+doping-agency-to-ease-up-off-his-jock

hahaha

ten characters

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And nobody before had ever been able to see the rich financial possibilities of a qui tam lawsuit.

I honestly don't believe that was the motivation. I think he was just fed up with the bull**** for lots of reasons. And actually, any rider who knew about what Lance was in the same position for a qui tam, so why didn't they speak up before him?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And nobody before had ever been able to see the rich financial possibilities of a qui tam lawsuit.

I know you don't want to believe he has any good in there, and that he deserves no respect. We disagree for sure on that, but I have to say, I do appreciate your legal commentary today. Some very good insight.

 

[180mmCrank]

Back to the topic at hand, Judge Sparks put the hammer down on LA like none other. Pretty impressive that he didn't want to play the game for one second, and saw right through it all. Let's see Armstrong and his clown lawyers spin this one.

Big props to Big Sam.

+1

It was great! I suspect that Lance's goons thought that this would buy a bunch of time while it was given due consideration and process. Props to him for throwing it out and calling it how he saw it!

T

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

From the Gawker article:

USADA argues that it must maintain the witnesses' anonymity to prevent "intimidation and retaliation" from such a roid-ragey-sum*****.

 

[MarkvW]

I know you don't want to believe he has any good in there, and that he deserves no respect. We disagree for sure on that, but I have to say, I do appreciate your legal commentary today. Some very good insight.

I'm probably overplaying the negative because I perceive that others are overplaying the positive. Nevertheless, none of this would be happening without Floyd and I do acknowledge that.

 

[Anonymous]

I was wondering the same thing. I think it is the same here. They must re-apply and pay every year. Even if not, with a major change like requiring riders to submit to USADA protocol and arbitration, they would have them re-sign. Plus, it was mentioned that Lance already submitted to the jurisdiction of the USADA when he gave samples. He functionally admitted it with that, and there is no taking that back.

Yep.

Used to be 12 months from license issue date. Then it became calendar year... Don't remember when that happened though. 2001, or 2002 I think.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

And who was the first former professional to pull the lid off of the stinking pile of dung that was doping in pro cycling. Nobody before had ever been that honest.

Fair enough, and I think Floyd deserves to be commended for his coming forward.

But to be honest with you, what you claim is simply not true. Manzano, Simeoni, Kohl, and others all spoke the truth and faced repercussions. Landis had the greatest effect since it concerned Armstrong and it got the ball rolling.

 

[Deagol]

Fair enough, and I think Floyd deserves to be commended for his coming forward.

But to be honest with you, what you claim is simply not true. Manzano, Simeoni, Kohl, and others all spoke the truth and faced repercussions. Landis had the greatest effect since it concerned Armstrong and it got the ball rolling.

I remember Lance came down hard not only on Simeoni, but also Kohl (not as hard as Simeoni, granted). It was through Twitter or something. He seems to have a pattern of attacking the messenger.

Kohl said he passed hundred(s) .. or something near that.. of tests and he was doping all the while. This fact should shoot down the "never tested positive" mantra if it got the attention it should have.

It gets frustrating in that almost every article I see, they add in that Lance "never tested positive" like some sort of disclaimer and the un-informed latch onto that like it actually means something. No one is acknowledging the 1999 positives, no one mentions the TUE, no one mentions the 2001 TDS positive, but more importantly no one says that even if he never failed a test, it doesn't mean he was clean.

 

[Race Radio]

Marketing people at Anheuser Busch InBev are being sent substantial bonus checks for having the foresight to film and run Mich Ultra ads not featuring Lance.

That deal ends in 3 months. They can't wait to get away from him

 

[Kennf1]

It does indicate that even though this was filed on Armstrong's home turf in Austin - the judge could give a crap who he is.

Federal judges rarely give a crap about that stuff.

 

[Race Radio]

This may be total BS but I got this from a Slowtwitch thread.

Just two hours ago I got text from a buddy, who was eating lunch at a local watering hole, and next barstool over was none other than Floyd Landis.

My buddy started a conversation with Floyd, who was railing on Lance with the bartender. Floyd told my friend that he is being dragged into the Lance thing, and that his lawyer says that Floyd has to testify or face jail time... granted Floyd might be full of **** still, can USADA put anybody in jail? My buddy invited Floyd to ride mountain bikes with us sometime so we'll see if that happens.

Ahhh, the another "Floyd drunk in a bar rambling like a madman" post from the Slowtwitch groupies

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Fair enough, and I think Floyd deserves to be commended for his coming forward.

But to be honest with you, what you claim is simply not true. Manzano, Simeoni, Kohl, and others all spoke the truth and faced repercussions. Landis had the greatest effect since it concerned Armstrong and it got the ball rolling.

I just didn't see any of them being so completely open, but maybe that's because as an ugly American, I didn't read their full statements because I don't speak their languages. I only saw blurbs about what they said.

 

[Race Radio]

And who was the first former professional to pull the lid off of the stinking pile of dung that was doping in pro cycling. Nobody before had ever been that honest.

The first Postal rider? Frankie. He and Betsy were the only people willing to tell the truth. They became big targets because of it.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The first Postal rider? Frankie. He and Betsy were the only people willing to tell the truth. They became big targets because of it.

I was thinking of the level of exposure, and the greater detail he gave. I don't mean to diminish any of the others who have told the truth in any way. I simply believe that Floyd gave much more detail than anyone else. Maybe I didn't read everything everyone else wrote, but that is my impression. He spared no detail, and it just doesn't seem like others were that open.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

That deal ends in 3 months. They can't wait to get away from him

The first Postal rider? Frankie. He and Betsy were the only people willing to tell the truth. They became big targets because of it.

Yeup. Ain't seen no LA commercials of any kind the past few months.

The only thing in my mind about Frankie's admission that made me question the credibility of his claim was Betsy's claim Lance hacked their computer email. I never thought Frankie would make up the doping confession, but I did wonder at the time if the hack job was made up. In hindsight, I don't think such a hack would be that hard to do.

 

[DomesticDomestique]

I honestly don't believe that was the motivation. I think he was just fed up with the bull**** for lots of reasons. And actually, any rider who knew about what Lance was in the same position for a qui tam, so why didn't they speak up before him?

I think "Fed Up with the Bull****" is a great way to describe Floyd.

And along those lines, the strangest sight I ever saw when I actually raced bikes was at Gila a week before Floyd went public. I got dropped very close to the top of the first Cat 1 climb, I thought I was probably the last guy dropped before the descent. As I crest the top Floyd is taking a nature break on the side of the road. There is no doubt, that given his descending skills, he easily could have regained contact even if he had been dropped. He just didn't care anymore. I found it funny because he had just joined Bahati Foundation and brought on Dr. Kay as a sponsor, they had even screened OUCH over their "stylish" kits. I thought he was all-in, but when you're still in the race and decide to pull over and urinate, that's clearly saying "F*** IT!" A week later he really said "F*** IT."