USADA - Armstrong

[Microchip]

Shhh! He might be reading. Don't want to help them, now do we?

 

[thehog]

News saying 30 day extension? Unconfirmed.

 

[ManInFull]

So you're calling LA a scapegoat??? Jesus... He's the only contender during his reign that hasn't been busted. Give me a freakin break.

One would think that that alone would force the majority of fans to question Lance's claims. But, it doesn't. We're basically divided into two sides: one side believes that individuals, organizations, and even an entire country, have conspired to bring Armstrong down and the other side believes that individuals and organizations have conspired to cover-up an extensive doping program and even positive test results.

 

[thehog]

News saying 30 day extension? Unconfirmed.

USADA give 30-day extension.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Hitting the news wires now.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/armstrong-attorney-lance-30-day-extension-16754825

 

[mewmewmew13]

USADA give 30-day extension.

Hog! Link to something please!

Edit: oops just see above....

 

[Ninety5rpm]

News saying 30 day extension? Unconfirmed.

Per multiple lancearmstrong posts on Twitter, including from Chris Brewer, USADA voluntarily offered the 30-day extension, obviating need for restraining order.

Source appears to be an unidentified Armstrong lawyer.

 

[ManInFull]

USADA give 30-day extension.

Well, that was my guess earlier this morning. Is the extension only for Armstrong or for the other 2 defendants? Do you have a link?

 

[red_flanders]

USADA give 30-day extension.

Interesting.

Armstrong attorney Tim Herman says he has withdrawn a request for U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks to issue temporary restraining order in the case.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/sports/ci_21051898/armstrong-attorney-lance-gets-30-day-extension

 

[mewmewmew13]

Ok, so does this buy them some scramble time or is this part of their plan for delay tactic / smokescreen/ PR....?

 

[DomesticDomestique]

Is there any chance that there is a "deal in progress." I felt like USADAs timeline was hugely in their favor. Why are they giving Lance anything, unless Lance is giving them something in return.

 

[ManInFull]

Is there any chance that there is a "deal in progress." I felt like USADAs timeline was hugely in their favor. Why are they giving Lance anything, unless Lance is giving them something in return.

Hmmm..The ABC News article did say that Armstrong's attorney would now withdraw a request for U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks to issue a temporary restraining order in the case.

Maybe USADA felt that it was better for them to take the initiative and provide an extension instead? Otherwise, USADA was risking a PR setback if the judge would have ruled in Lance's favor.

 

[Microchip]

Is there any chance that there is a "deal in progress." I felt like USADAs timeline was hugely in their favor. Why are they giving Lance anything, unless Lance is giving them something in return.

The goods on Ferrari?
On Bruyneel?
Hein?

It has GOT to be good!

 

[Anonymous]

He was never making $50M a year. At the height he was making $20-23M. After taxes he would have cleared a bit north of $10M. At the same time he was spending crazy money on stupid stuff like a private jet.

Right now he is spending four or five hundred K a month on lawyers, and his marketability has been seriously damaged. He already paid millions on lawyers during the federal investigation. Paying huge legal bills for the USADA case will leave a bit of a mark. Then there may $10-15M at stake with the SCA. The qui tam case could be another round of costly litigation.

He will be bleeding money for several years. At the same time his earning power will radically decrease. It all adds up.

Agreed. I was not going to contest the $50M because it doesn't matter for all the reasons you state.

He may not lose everything, but it will hurt him bad.

 

[college]

Please cite any background information or links you have to support this claim.

Susan

I do not have any links to support any claim. My wording was poor and I should not have said that usada definitively committed a criminal act, but what I was trying to say is. - it has been reported that usada sat in with the FED’s during their interrogations of the team mates and witnesses. What authority did usada have in order to sit in on the interrogations? That to me seems to be a problem for usada. (Note: I did not claim that they have committed a criminal offense).

 

[Muriel]

and perhaps one is a result of the other....

Sparks advises Herman that it's in their best interests to withdraw the document (or be held in pain of clause 11 or whatever it is). Armstrong sees that's the end of that route and so, finally, trys to cut some kind of deal with USADA??

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting.



http://www.yorkdispatch.com/sports/ci_21051898/armstrong-attorney-lance-gets-30-day-extension

Smart move by Herman. He was gonna get kicked in the balls again and he knew it.

Smart by USADA too. Takes away LA's argument that they are not being "fair."

And they will still win, so there's exactly no rush.

 

[sniper]

The goods on Ferrari?
On Bruyneel?
Hein?

It has GOT to be good!

about Ferrari I personally couldn't care less. (hardly a secret what he's been up to in the past decade and with whom).
Bruyneel, Hein, Pat, on the other hand, I'd pay to see them with their pants down.

 

[ManInFull]

Ok, so does this buy them some scramble time or is this part of their plan for delay tactic / smokescreen/ PR....?

They don't want to have to make the decision to accept the charges or go to arbitration. Their primary goal should be to invalidate USADA's authority to even file the charges against LA and their secondary goal should be to better prepare for the arbitration.

 

[thehog]

Hmmm..The ABC News article did say that Armstrong's attorney would now withdraw a request for U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks to issue a temporary restraining order in the case.

Maybe USADA felt that it was better for them to take the initiative and provide an extension instead? Otherwise, USADA was risking a PR setback if the judge would have ruled in Lance's favor.

Armstrong is still pursuing his case in a Federal Court. They’ve given him 30 days to do so. All that’s been withdrawn is the “injunction”. USADA knows he’ll lose but being an arbitration they should “appear” that they are working to reach a settlement decision. Giving 30 days is the right thing to do – it doesn’t change much. Just delays the enviable. Armstrong can hardly claim that there’s “no process” when they’ve provided an extension.

I would also suggest the injunction was about to be denied again and the judge to save embarrassment suggested “in camera” to withdraw the claim and seek an extension with USADA.

 

[Microchip]

I'm supposing everything's going to go quiet for the next 30 days. The extension brings it to the 23rd August (excluding weekends). Sheesh....wonder if I can make it through?!

 

[Topangarider]

I do not have any links to support any claim. My wording was poor and I should not have said that usada definitively committed a criminal act, but what I was trying to say is. - it has been reported that usada sat in with the FED’s during their interrogations of the team mates and witnesses. What authority did usada have in order to sit in on the interrogations? That to me seems to be a problem for usada. (Note: I did not claim that they have committed a criminal offense).

Can you cite federal law that says that outside experts consulted by federal agents are not allowed to be witness to interviews with witnesses?

Or are you are suggesting that USADA representatives sat in on witnesses testifying to a Grand Jury?

 

[sniper]

Armstrong is still pursuing his case in a Federal Court. They’ve given him 30 days to do so. All that’s been withdrawn is the “injunction”. USADA knows he’ll lose but being an arbitration they should “appear” that they are working to reach a settlement decision. Giving 30 days is the right thing to do – it doesn’t change much. Just delays the enviable. Armstrong can hardly claim that there’s “no process” when they’ve provided an extension.

I would also suggest the injunction was about to be denied again and the judge to save embarrassment suggested “in camera” to withdraw the claim and seek an extension with USADA.

if USADA knew that, why grant the extension? why save the judge embarrassment? there is no fair play price at stake here, is there?

I don't like the extension. Suggests they're cutting deals instead of throwing the truth on the table.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I do not have any links to support any claim. My wording was poor and I should not have said that usada definitively committed a criminal act, but what I was trying to say is. - it has been reported that usada sat in with the FED’s during their interrogations of the team mates and witnesses. What authority did usada have in order to sit in on the interrogations? That to me seems to be a problem for usada. (Note: I did not claim that they have committed a criminal offense).

Someone explained yesterday that while the actual Grand Jury proceedings at which the Grand Jury is present are secret and closed to all those except those that are officially authorized, that does not apply to interrogations leading up to that.

I presume if all involved parties don't object to a third party present at such an interrogation, there should be no problem, certainly not a criminal problem. Why do you think there is, or might be?

 

[Anonymous]

if USADA knew that, why grant the extension? why save the judge embarrassment? there is no fair play price at stake here, is there?

I don't like the extension. Suggests they're cutting deals instead of throwing the truth on the table.

It's always a risk, but I think Tygart has taken away Lance's big PR weapon.

He can't go around crying about the USADA not being fair, or having a vendetta, etc. Tygart is on solid footing and he knows it. What's another 30 days?