USADA - Armstrong

[BroDeal]

Might as well lay out all the evidence, exactly. Tell the world exactly what Armstrong did and how you think you can prove it.

McQuaid and Armstrong are begging for it. Why not?

The details will severely limit Armstrong's ability to fight the charges by enlisting help from politicians, the UCI, and USA Cycling. With sufficient detail, the UCI will have to stand down.

If the USADA whacks him with a detailed charging document then this coming week we will see the roof cave in on Armstrong's head. Armstrong is about to be hoisted on his own petard.

 

[Race Radio]

Phil Halpern?

He is just bought a new helmet mirror. Getting ready for his big moment in the sun

 

[Race Radio]

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8254727/judge-questions-usada-lance-armstrong-lawyers


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-10/lance-armstrong-doping-usada/56949006/1



I can't say I'm surprised. I questioned the USADA decision to withhold this information awhile ago and still do today.

Like I said before, release the evidence and the due process argument goes away. Otherwise you are just feeding ammo to Lance to use in court.

Guess you missed the part about witnesses being intimidated.

 

[Microchip]

A google search for 'Phil Halpern' shows that he can be a lawyer in White Plains, an attorney in San Diego or an Innkeeper with his wife named 'Linda'.

So....who is he?



Edit: Ah-hah! Found it. A federal prosecutor in San Diego, was involved in the Landis case.

 

[python]

some details, yes, but under no circumstances any names should be released.

it could something like, witness A saw mr armstrong on date such and such injecting.

witness B, will testify to the same...etc.

several pages could be filled with such dates, race and place details.

a full list of armstrong law suits against anyone who ever opened their mouth against him could also be added including their personal affidavits.

 

[Turner29]

He is just bought a new helmet mirror. Getting ready for his big moment in the sun

I do believe that Sparks is merely goading the USADA to present enough evidence to shut critics ups.

To the question about what his (Judge Sparks) jurisdiction might be in arbitration, I hope the USADA quickly responded with the obvious answer: NONE.

 

[thehog]

“I’ve only read speculation,” he said. “I have an idea who they are, but only speculation. I don’t think there would be any value in that. I don’t think George Hincapie would necessarily tell us what he told the federal investigators, or what USADA has in the file. I don’t necessarily think that would be appropriate. The case is based on the file. We have no proof as to who the eight or 10 witnesses are. I have an idea, but I don’t think it would be appropriate to ring someone and ask, ‘what did you say to this or that?’.”

“It would be far more appropriate that the file is opened to the UCI,” Verbiest added. “And in the first instance, to those who have been sent to disciplinary hearings. That is the most astonishing aspect of this case.”

Asked if he felt USADA and WADA had spent years specifically targeting Armstrong, McQuaid said he did, adding, “and they are prepared to allow the rules to be bent.”

Reached for comment on McQuaid’s statements, USADA CEO Travis Tygart wrote to VeloNews via email: “UCI’s various contrasting positions and public comments concerning our USPS case are baffling, especially in light of the fact that we have offered to go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and have all the evidence of the USPS doping conspiracy presented in open court for the independent judges to consider and ultimately decide once and for all.*We will continue to do our job on behalf of clean athletes and pressure from external sources including UCI’s will not prevent us from simply doing the job we are mandated to do.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...rmstrong-case-files-prior-to-sanctions_234070

 

[veganrob]

I believe USADA has all the Aces and is just playing along.

But,,, the drama is still killing me.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Re the velonews article...What a load from Pat! I can barely keep myself from slapping him
the way he twists the story around!

 

[Turner29]

I believe USADA has all the Aces and is just playing along.

But,,, the drama is still killing me.

Same here. I also believe Sparks has already made up his mind and just wants to preempt Armstrong's press machine when he announces his decision next week, or whenever...

 

[Race Radio]

Re the velonews article...What a load from Pat! I can barely keep myself from slapping him
the way he twists the story around!

He is desperate. By this time he must know he and Hein are in a ton of trouble.

 

[eleven]

I hope the group will tolerate a random comment from a newb - but I'm reminded of a quote from the move Se7en in which Detectives Mills and Somerset discuss John Doe and Somerset says,

"If we catch John Doe and he turns out to be the devil, I mean if he's Satan himself, that might live up to our expectations, but he's not the devil. He's just a man."

This latest delay feeds my concern that this will have an anti-climactic ending. Even if the judge decides USADA retains jurisdiction and Wonderboy elects to go through arbitration and loses, it will not be enough to satisfy me for all the sh*t he has done to some very good people and the sport I love. His supporters will turn him into a martyr, Livestrong will remain a front and propaganda machine for him, he will remain wealthy on Nike sponsorship alone if nothing else as they clearly have no scruples in who they endorse, and he will be loved by that certain fraction of the population who will either deny the USADA's findings or justify his actions. He can't be punished sufficiently at this point, and the Judge's inability to see through his attorney's smokescreen at this point is such a disheartening portent...

That said - I still want (need) that MF to go down in a public court to preserve my hope that there is some (any) sanity left in the sport and those that care about it.

You forgot the part about enriching himself off of a new Triathlon series that draws the biggest names in the sport away from the current Ironman series. I'm pretty sure such a thing would cause the most consternation among folks in the clinic.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

You forgot the part about enriching himself off of a new Triathlon series that draws the biggest names in the sport away from the current Ironman series. I'm pretty sure such a thing would cause the most consternation among folks in the clinic.

Only if we cared about triathlon, or even took it seriously...

 

[eleven]

Only if we cared about triathlon, or even took it seriously...

Took it seriously? Nobody takes triathlon seriously! While an Ironman is an incredible athletic achievement it's also like watching paint dry.

But just review the reaction to Armstrong's performances earlier this year and claim there would be no vitriol. You could have sold the vitriol when he won Florida to the Tea Party.

 

[BroDeal]

You forgot the part about enriching himself off of a new Triathlon series that draws the biggest names in the sport away from the current Ironman series. I'm pretty sure such a thing would cause the most consternation among folks in the clinic.

The biggest names in triathlon? Is that like Macca plus two or three others with names that 90% of triathletes have never heard of?

The more people that leave, the easier it will be to Kona Q for the rest of us. So giddyup and move 'em out.

 

[eleven]

The biggest names in triathlon? Is that like Macca plus two or three others with names that 90% of triathletes have never heard of?

Yes! And that's the whole point.

The more people that leave, the easier it will be to Kona Q for the rest of us. So giddyup and move 'em out.

That's actually a damn good point...but I'm a couple hours from that problem

 

[BroDeal]

Yes! And that's the whole point.

That's actually a damn good point...but I'm a couple hours from that problem

Don't try to get extra calories from those things floating in the Hudson that look like Snickers bars.

 

[JA.Tri]

Sparks’ concerns and subsequently delayed ruling on jurisdiction were primarily based around the specifics provided by USADA, or rather apparent lack of which did not provide Armstrong with enough information to mount an edequate defence.

"I couldn't find anything but conclusions (in the charges)," Sparks said. "Not one name, not one event, not one date,” said Sparks.

The judge also questioned Armstrong’s lawyer Tim Herman, regarding the actual reasoning behind the federal court being involved at all.

“Where do I have jurisdiction in this case when you can litigate this in the arbitration process?" Sparks said.

I was initially very concerned at bolded. I believed SMJ was the crux of the matter. However, I am now satisfied that Sparks J was expressing reasonable concern with equity/fairness. That appropriate responsive action by USADA would allow a clean robust decision by Sparks J.

Therefore I hope to see solid charging document (with appropriate redactions) submitted.

 

[Race Radio]

Funny how nobody from Patton Boggs showed up today. No Luskin and his $1,000 per hour.

Looking like Luskin is just a figure head, trotted out to cover up Herman's incompetence

 

[BroDeal]

Funny how nobody from Patton Boggs showed up today. No Luskin and his $1,000 per hour.

Looking like Luskin is just a figure head, trotted out to cover up Herman's incompetence

Maybe funds are running low. Be on the lookout for old Treks and Nike gear in yellow and black colors being sold for cheap "buy it now" prices on eBay.

 

[JA.Tri]

A) Any appeal by Armstrong will almost certainly be coupled with an injunction motion that would probably be granted.

My guess is that you are correct with 3) and that Armstrong will never accept the USADA's legitimacy; therefore, no arbitration and fight on elsewhere.

This approach may make some sense (from Armstrong's view) regarding SCA Promotions. Now, here is my question for the lawyers:

SCA Promotion has already lost a legal battle regarding paying insurance money to Tailwind Sports. Since SCA Promotions appears to be the largest single aggrieved party from a monetary perspective, save for perhaps the US Postal Service, if practical they would be most likely to go after Armstrong again.

1) What is the practicality of SCA Promotions again taking legal action against Armstrong, given that they already have lost?

2) By accepting the USADA's charges without arbitration, no real evidence is presented by the USADA. Could USADA evidence by subpoenaed by SCA Promotions?

IMO the issue for SCA Promotions is "Does LA still hold title to relevant TdF GC wins?" If he doesn't then SCA looks like a winner. If, however, regardless of proven doping, he retains relevant titles then SCA is on a hiding to nothing...As this seems to reflect the initial finding. That is, did LA win the TdF? not did he dope?!

 

[BroDeal]

SCA Promotion has already lost a legal battle regarding paying insurance money to Tailwind Sports. Since SCA Promotions appears to be the largest single aggrieved party from a monetary perspective, save for perhaps the US Postal Service, if practical they would be most likely to go after Armstrong again.

1) What is the practicality of SCA Promotions again taking legal action against Armstrong, given that they already have lost?

2) By accepting the USADA's charges without arbitration, no real evidence is presented by the USADA. Could USADA evidence by subpoenaed by SCA Promotions?

Technically they did not lose. There was a settlement. It is hard to believe the settlement did not contain a clause that would make revisiting the issue very difficult.

 

[TheInternet]

That is, did LA win the TdF? not did he dope?!

Exactly. Probably old news: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/s...could-lose-5-million-if-guilty-of-doping.html
But, yeah, it would appear SCA will gear up for round 2.

 

[eleven]

Funny how nobody from Patton Boggs showed up today. No Luskin and his $1,000 per hour.

Looking like Luskin is just a figure head, trotted out to cover up Herman's incompetence

Surely you don't still believe (after a decade of representation) that Armstrong hires incompetent representation?

 

[D-Queued]

Surely you don't still believe (after a decade of representation) that Armstrong hires incompetent representation?

No, he hires lawyers who have incompetent clients.

Dave.