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Race Radio said:
So what is next?

In the next 2 weeks USADA will release a torrent of information. In addition there will be over 300 pages of info in another form coming sooner then expected. Follow this up with interviews with some of the key witnesses and the UCI stripping lance of everything as they know the risk is too large

And then come the lawsuits.....:D

and then come the investigation and exposure of multiple coverups :D

And then come the Feds :D

.....it's not over :D

This is the beginning not the end.
 
alberto.legstrong said:
I am pretty much seeing it that way too. Yesterday was the beginning of the end. He keeps moving his King, he keeps getting put into check and losing pawns along the way making further moves and defenses less viable until ultimately it's checkmate. He has no strong pieces left to mount any real counter attack.

I hope this drags on forever because it's so much fun watching the Aphronesis' of the world contort themselves into pretzels to be able to keep on believing. The cost of not being willing to face the truth is a very high one.

The interns better get lots of rest, there will be busy days ahead.

By the way RR, it would be great to have some information on the resources used to clog up the comments sections of the press.
 
Glenn_Wilson said:
I think I read somewhere that USADA stated the reason why they were going after these guys. To save the KIDS from PED's. Maybe so? :rolleyes:

Image wise I can see the "arguable" impact of taking out Armstrong for that reason.

As for the conspiracy and the rest: a bunch of near-retirement age Europeans? Sure, that'll massively impact PED abuse in Des Moines.
 
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Race Radio said:
the next 2-3 weeks we will read an overwhelming amount of information. The groupies will have to twist into absurd levels to continue to ignore the obvious

Are you referring to Tyler's book, or can we expect other sources of information?

John Swanson
 
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Banana Army said:
For British guys:

A dramatic day in cycling and tonight on 5 live Sport from 19:00 BST we will discuss the Lance Armstrong issue with Sunday Times journalist David Walsh, who has written a book on the American, Doug Ulman the CEO of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, and BBC Sport's cycling expert Matt Slater.

Should be interesting that.

Finally someone good on five live especially after that UCI shill they had on the other week.
 
Race Radio said:
So what is next?

In the next 2 weeks USADA will release a torrent of information. In addition there will be over 300 pages of info in another form coming sooner then expected. Follow this up with interviews with some of the key witnesses and the UCI stripping lance of everything as they know the risk is too large

And then come the lawsuits.....:D

and then come the investigation and exposure of multiple coverups :D

And then come the Feds :D

.....it's not over :D


"Lance Armstrong, may I help you."
"Hi Lance, it's Phil Knight"
(sphincter contraction, blood pressure increase, palm sweats)
"Um, yeah Phil, what can I do for you?"
"Well, you know how we promised we'd stand behind you?"
(involuntary gasp)
Yes. Sure. You know I really appreciated that support. Nike is my flagshi---"
"Yeah, well thanks, Lance, but I've got some tough news for you."
(a tear forms under the left eye)
"What?"
"Nike is fully prepared to stand behind you Lance, but we've got to renegotiate your sponsorship contract. You're just not pulling in the numbers anymore, buddy."
"What do you have in mind?"
"Can you "just do it" for free, Lance?"
 
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frenchfry said:
I guess you have never had any Puligny Montrachet

I've had better from France. I didn't say I never give them credit for anything. I think wine, women, french fries and french toast are some of their greatest contributions to mankind.

And every July, it's one of the greatest spectacle in sports. But I am partial to Italians, tbh.
 
ScienceIsCool said:
Are you referring to Tyler's book, or can we expect other sources of information?

John Swanson

Or......

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As an American tax payer ... WHAT A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY.

Interesting article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ng-who-may-get-his-Tour-de-France-titles.html

Are they really going to strip him of all his titles to give them to other known dopers? Disqualify all of the known dopers and give the titles to guys who came in 20th (even though they were also clearly doping and just not caught)? There are no good options.

Oh and you've got to LOVE the onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nondoping-cyclists-finish-tour-de-france,2268/
 
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Race Radio said:
So what is next?

In the next 2 weeks USADA will release a torrent of information. In addition there will be over 300 pages of info in another form coming sooner then expected. Follow this up with interviews with some of the key witnesses and the UCI stripping lance of everything as they know the risk is too large

And then come the lawsuits.....:D

and then come the investigation and exposure of multiple coverups :D

And then come the Feds :D

.....it's not over :D

Thanks RR for your constant updates and thrilling insider infos. Really making this place worthwhile.

One question: does it really matter much what UCI do in the next weeks?
After all, If UCI is implicated in one or more of those cover-ups that you mention then they will end up loosing the olympics anyway, right?
 
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BroDeal said:
Dang. People are still deleting posts to move themselves into the 10K spot.

I've been robbed, I tell ya. Robbed!

You selfish selfish man. At this rate I stand a shot of being the 11000 sooner than the 10000.
 
eztarget said:
As an American tax payer ... WHAT A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY.

Sorry, that argument is so 2011. No, USADA is only marginally funded by taxpayer dollars. It would barely cover one-two persons salary.

The point you are entirely missing is, well, forget it. Just Livewrong I guess.

Still hiring interns I guess....
 
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Race Radio said:
So what is next?

In the next 2 weeks USADA will release a torrent of information. In addition there will be over 300 pages of info in another form coming sooner then expected. Follow this up with interviews with some of the key witnesses and the UCI stripping lance of everything as they know the risk is too large

And then come the lawsuits.....:D

and then come the investigation and exposure of multiple coverups :D

And then come the Feds :D

.....it's not over :D

I know that last night I wrote that under the WADA Code, the USADA is pretty limited in terms of what they can release to the public. I also looked at USADA Protocol 16, which also suggests that USADA is somewhat limited in what they can release to the public. But that same Section of the Protocols also allows them to "comment upon any aspect of the case."

Then we have the Velonation interview of Travis Tygart in which he unabashedly says that USADA will release the evidence to the public. I don't think he'd make a statement like that unless USADA really intended to release the evidence. While he might want to check with Bock before doing so, at this point, Tygart, who is also a lawyer and fully conversant with USADA's own Protocols, should be taken at his word. I think RR is right, there will be much more information released to the public about the details and the reasoning and rationale for the sanctions USADA has recommended be imposed in the next few weeks.

Not so sure which lawsuits are coming. SCA? I don't know, but I'd bet that even if a suit was filed by SCA, it's only got a minimal shot of succeeding. Any other lawsuits? Perhaps by ASO to recover the prize money paid for the 7 TdF wins that will be erased? Any other suits?

RR also says the Feds will continue to investigate. I'm not so sure about that. There is the qui tam suit filed by Landis, but that case has its own impediments, not the least of which is the named-Plaintiff's own difficulties. But you never know, someone in the justice department may have already made a decision that recovering sponsorship money paid by USPS is well-worth the time and effort it would take.

Criminal investigations? I don't see that. Not with the prior abandonment of the criminal investigation and the fact that any SOL would have run (and no, there's no Hellebuyck principal that would apply to any federal criminal investigation as far as I know).

I think it's going to be interesting to see how the rest of the USPS squad is treated by USADA and USAC in terms of sanctions. If USADA doesn't also issue lifetime bans to Vaughters, Hincapie, Leipheimer, etc., guys who, if they really testified they knew about Armstrong's systematic doping all these years and thus themselves participated in the same coverup and conspiracy that USADA says also justifies a lifetime ban for Armstrong, that could provide a basis for a further legal challenge to the sanctions (and that might be brought in federal court, since even if no CAS action is possible, it might still constitute a basis for a real denial of due process claim). From a pure PR point of view, for USADA any real disparate treatment of Armstrong's teammates would just smell bad would play right into the hands of Armstrong's pitch that he has been selectively prosecuted.

As much as I hate to say it, because I really like and admire guys like Hincapie, Leipheimer, et. al., if they knew, participated and also covered up, they should suffer the same fate as Armstrong in terms of sanctions: lifetime bans, no reduction for agreeing to testify (which clearly was under threats of bans and thus compulsion in the first instance), and forfeiture of wins, points and prize money.

If they all did it, treat them all the same, and let them all hang.
 
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sniper said:
Thanks RR for your constant updates and thrilling insider infos. Really making this place worthwhile.

One question: does it really matter much what UCI do in the next weeks?
After all, If UCI is implicated in one or more of those cover-ups that you mention then they will end up loosing the olympics anyway, right?

McQuaid is in a tight spot right now.

I bet TeamGB Cycling are in a tizzy as they may not be at the next olympics.

McQuaid had better fall on his sword and in the process blame Verdrugthem.

IOC must be think Hein is gonna get a big load of brown stuff in the kisser about the 99TUE and TdS 01.

Time he fell on his sword too.
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Sorry, that argument is so 2011. No, USADA is only marginally funded by taxpayer dollars. It would barely cover one-two persons salary.

The point you are entirely missing is, well, forget it. Just Livewrong I guess.

Still hiring interns I guess....

Not my point. My point is the USADA is just a waste of money. Congress calling athletes to testify before them is a huge waste of money. I really don't give a rats *** if Armstrong, Bonds, McGuire used dope when unemployment is 10%, our deficit is out of control and we are fighting a 10 year old war with no apparent victory even possible.

But you keep caring about the important stuff like athletes doping...
 
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Pantani_lives said:
One important question: isn't there a statute of limitation? Can they disqualify him for a race of over eight years ago?

A ban would be mostly symbolical since he's retired. It would only really be fun if he was disqualified.

Yes.

His lifetime ban prevents him form competing in events that abide by WADA.

So no more important Triathlons.
 
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