Velo d’Or 2024

[Berflamand]

Sorry guys for thinking Pogi would be a decent CX racer if he prepared 3 months for a specific race.

Saying Pogi would be a decent CX racer if he specifically prepared for it is probably not an outrageous take.

But to be fair, you insisted that he would have a chance to beat MVDP in a CX race and for that to happen you'd need to be a hell of a lot more than just 'decent' (barring bad luck).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Saying Pogi would be a decent CX racer if he specifically prepared for it is probably not an outrageous take.

But to be fair, you insisted that he would have a chance to beat MVDP in a CX race and for that to happen you'd need to be a hell of a lot more than just 'decent' (barring bad luck).

I was implying MVP wouldn't destroy Pogi like Pogi would destroy MVP in a MTT.

 

[Rackham]

I just noticed this poll. I had to switch my vote.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

You talk like Pogacar isn't an above average bike handler. He is good. I just think we don't how good he would be in a CX race because we never saw him attending a race against the best field in CX races. Some of you start mocking. It is okay, some people thought the same about RVV and then Pogi kicked MVP's ass. I still think MVP would beat Pogacar but the difference would be a lot smaller than the one some of you are pretending to be. Pogacar has one thing MVP's opponents in CX races don't have: Legs.

It's like you said: "he's good"
WVA, MVDP, Michael Vanthourenhout, Sweeck, Pidcock, Van Der Haar they're amazing. They would smoke him over and over and over and over... again.

 

[MJR]

I think he'd be a pretty good CX racer if he took the time to learn those off-road skills and got used to going full gas all the time.

Now there's a world of difference between that and being competitive with vdP in a pro race. I just don't see the latter happening.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

It's like you said: "he's good"
WVA, MVDP, Michael Vanthourenhout, Sweeck, Pidcock, Van Der Haar they're amazing. They would smoke him over and over and over and over... again.

The thing is, Van der Haar can hardly jump over a hair comb. Notorious for not jumping the barriers. Yet he would ride circles around Pogacar on a CX course.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I just noticed this poll. I had to switch my vote.

The poll was for the 2023 award, but was set up without a closing date.

My mod tools do allow me to change it, but how? If I freeze it now, then it has an odd mix of 2023 and 2024 dates: if I put a limit on it now there will still be some mix , as not everyone will update their votes. Maybe I should just delete the poll: @topcat ?

Should we lock this at the end of last years discussion, and start a new one from when it was re-booted? Or just change the title such that it is not year specific?

 

[AmRacer]

I think he'd be a pretty good CX racer if he took the time to learn those off-road skills and got used to going full gas all the time.

Now there's a world of difference between that and being competitive with vdP in a pro race. I just don't see the latter happening.

Pogi went full gas 100 km, 80 km, 50 km....

 

[RedheadDane]

My mod tools do allow me to change it, but how?

Pretty sure you're the one who's supposed to know that.

 

[AmRacer]

Pretty sure you're the one who's supposed to know that.

'How' like in 'to what'. Not like 'how to do it'.

 

[ice&fire]

Am I the only one who gets the joke that we don't need a poll for this year and that's why the discussion was started in last year thread?

 

[rallybanana]

Am I the only one who gets the joke that we don't need a poll for this year and that's why the discussion was started in last year thread?

I remember when the velo d'or discussion used to take place in the Van Aert thread.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Pogi went full gas 100 km, 80 km, 50 km....

I'm pretty sure there are some users on this forum who would claim Pogi would smoke Kipchoge in a marathon.

Let's apply your guys logic. Since Usain Bolt was the fastest on a distance of 100m he should easily win the 1000m race on the Olympics aswell right?
Or maybe better, the steeple. Since that also involves cornering and jumping over barriers....

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm pretty sure there are some users on this forum who would claim Pogi would smoke Kipchoge in a marathon.

Let's apply your guys logic. Since Usain Bolt was the fastest on a distance of 100m he should easily win the 1000m race on the Olympics aswell right?
Or maybe better, the steeple. Since that also involves cornering and jumping over barriers....

Don't be salty, I already said you are right.

 

[MJR]

Pogi went full gas 100 km, 80 km, 50 km....

Well, damn, I can't disagree with that!

 

[hayneplane]

Just want Pogacar to attend the gravel WC to see him destroying the field. CX, I'm afraid it will never happen due to clash with road racing season.

Just need to move it to the weekend after Lombardia. We know Pog will still be in excellent shape there.

 

[Finn84]

More interesting to see who gets Velo d'Argent.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm pretty sure there are some users on this forum who would claim Pogi would smoke Kipchoge in a marathon.

Pogi is too fat for that but Vingo (given his body type and VO2max of 100+) would easily break 2h barrier.

 

[sam6]

Pogi is obviously the clear winner, but what's everyone's top 5 as that's what the voters have to submit I think

 

[sam6]

Sorry guys for thinking Pogi would be a decent CX racer if he prepared 3 months for a specific race.

He'd have more chance of winning a hilly+dry cyclocross race than Paris-Roubaix which some people think he might

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Pogi is obviously the clear winner, but what's everyone's top 5 as that's what the voters have to submit I think

2. Evenepoel 3. Van der Poel <gap> 4. Roglic 5. Philipsen <gap>

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The gap should be behind Roglic not MvdP

Gonna be honest here, your fandom of Roglic is clouding your judgement more by the month.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The gap should be behind Roglic not MvdP

No need to respond to such insinuations, as in the end the road doesn't care. On the road you see on where the gap starts to appear and the gap indeed tends to be behind Rogla. Especially this season on where Rogla was really in attacking mode all over last part of the season. But i agree that there is a slim shot Rogla getting Vélo d'Or for the 2024 season. And it's not like last years decision wasn't moot either. It's just one of those things, some sort of popularity contests, i guess.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Okay please show me the slow steady decline cause I dont think a sprinter who wons Sanremo but who doesnt even win more at WT level should be in the same tier as a dominant Vuelta winner who also won the Dauphine.

Also, my overall position that monuments shouldnt be 1:1 equated with Giro and Vuelta in these sorts of lists and that the cobbled double is overrated is hardly new

Please point me to the part of my post that says anything about a decline.

Not disputing the fact that Vuelta > Sanremo, but on the flip side, three Tour stages > three Vuelta stages and De Panne win + second in Roubaix > Dauphiné win. Everything else is small fry, and Philipsen has more of that anyway.

And setting that aside, if you can't see that there's a sizeable gap between Vuelta with 3 stages + Dauphiné and two monuments + E3 + further podiums at a third monument and the Worlds, then I really don't know what to tell you. Yes, Van der Poel was lucky with the opposition in the cobbles this year (purely by the numbers he goes above Evenepoel), but then again Roglic' main opposition in the Vuelta consisted of a serial loser in Mas and a guy he could afford to hand six minutes in O'Connor...

 

[CyclistAbi]

O'Connor finished second at WC RR and nobody but Rogla got the time back at Vuelta, to beat him. Dauphiné is where Rogla has beaten some of the riders that should supposedly be better by him, by a gap. Doesn't add up, at Tour i didn't see that either.

So obviously some sort of bias, likely towards elderly people, at play.