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lauaxeta said:
And yet again, another reason why the break-up of the Soviet Union was a bad thing.

Freedom? An end to communism? The UK, Europe, as well as other corners of this globe, are awash with Russkies,Ukranians, and the rest, all with the same bullying, bullish, aggressive attitude shown by this doper, at his press conference in Monaco.

If I was JB, I'd get the hell out, and leave these peasants to it.............They've no class and no style.

Do we really need this kind of thing around here? :(
 
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Vino at Astana

Unbelievable! Vino claims Astana is his team, he created it. Well I say BULL! The Astana he created is no longer around!

He created and destroyed that team with his selfishness by doping. He has no right to say I will be with Astana and if Johan doesn't like it then he can leave. Sorry but that leaves a really, REALLY bad taste in my mouth.

Vino GROW UP! You are not the end all to cycling, well maybe you are the end to cycling for your lack of being a man and playing clean. OK that was a little harsh, you may be a man but a very weak, little man. You are not a team player, and if there is any more proof needed it would be the comments you have recently made.

Stay home, forget about cycling as this sport does NOT NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!
 
Anyone want to make a bet that next year Vino rides for Astana?

Keep in mind who owns the team, and who owns the PT license.

Where were you guys when the squabbles with how, or if Astana was going to pay for riders salaries, and Astana's (from Kazakstan) comments?

I'm not saying I'd bet my house, but I'd place a very good wager than in 2010 Johan, Lance, Alberto, Levi, Klodi, Noval, Horner, Paulhilo, Zubeldia, Popo, and several others, plus nearly all support staff and management. are all elsewhere, and Astana still exists as a team, but a nearly entirely Kazak based one, and both Vinokourov and Kashekin as leaders.

It's JB and LA that aren't going to be wanted by the Kazaks, and they won't be able to afford Levi or the others. They will be the ones going elsewhere.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Anyone want to make a bet that next year Vino rides for Astana?

Keep in mind who owns the team, and who owns the PT license.

Where were you guys when the squabbles with how, or if Astana was going to pay for riders salaries, and Astana's (from Kazakstan) comments?

I'm not saying I'd bet my house, but I'd place a very good wager than in 2010 Johan, Lance, Alberto, Levi, Klodi, Noval, Horner, Paulhilo, Zubeldia, Popo, and several others, plus nearly all support staff and management. are all elsewhere, and Astana still exists as a team, but a nearly entirely Kazak based one, and both Vinokourov and Kashekin as leaders.

It's JB and LA that aren't going to be wanted by the Kazaks, and they won't be able to afford Levi or the others. They will be the ones going elsewhere.


i think alpe has got it in one. There is very little chance that LA and AC will be on the same team next year, and the hog will follow lance. I wouldn't be suprised if LA bank rolls another team (like he did with discovery) and AC will probably move back to a spanish team (my money is on Caisse if valverde situation isn't sorted out by then). so Astana can have vino back, and no one will care as the teams status drops,all of its best riders move on to greener parstures and as the team finds itself not invited to races
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Anyone want to make a bet that next year Vino rides for Astana?

Keep in mind who owns the team, and who owns the PT license.

Where were you guys when the squabbles with how, or if Astana was going to pay for riders salaries, and Astana's (from Kazakstan) comments?

I'm not saying I'd bet my house, but I'd place a very good wager than in 2010 Johan, Lance, Alberto, Levi, Klodi, Noval, Horner, Paulhilo, Zubeldia, Popo, and several others, plus nearly all support staff and management. are all elsewhere, and Astana still exists as a team, but a nearly entirely Kazak based one, and both Vinokourov and Kashekin as leaders.

It's JB and LA that aren't going to be wanted by the Kazaks, and they won't be able to afford Levi or the others. They will be the ones going elsewhere.

No doubt this aint a marriage built to last. Question is who will be the stick and who will be the poo?
 
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How did Vino get such a short suspension??????????~~~!!!!!!!!
 
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The Vino Debate

Astana may own the PT license but doesn't JB own the rider/staff contracts? If in the event Astana hadn't paid the rumor was that there was/were American sponsors ready to take over the team. SO isn't is feasible that Astana can have Vino but the team, sans name, will go with JB forming a new team.
Still would like to know where the ruling is that a rider suspended cannot return to a PT team for another 2 years!!! (If I'm not mistaken Liquigas relinquished their PT liscense upon hiring Baso.)
The thing that really gets me is Vino's attitude. He is a proven doper and currently has the mentality if Ricco. Yes everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but he really should be humble about this instead of a "you owe me" attitude.
 
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(If I'm not mistaken Liquigas relinquished their PT liscense upon hiring Baso.)

Im pretty sure Liquigas is still a protour team.

I thought when Bruyneel was hired it was part of his contract with the Kazahs that he did not have to sign Vinokourov and Kashekin when their bans finished?
 
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Jojopoates said:
The thing that really gets me is Vino's attitude. He is a proven doper and currently has the mentality if Ricco. Yes everyone deserves a 2nd chance, but he really should be humble about this instead of a "you owe me" attitude.

He's a tart, but he served his time as did Basso and Millar.

I do not doubt organizers will block him or at least try to, but if it's fair? Highly controversial.
 
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He's lived in Monaco for a while.

ah well, it will be that then... ;)

i am wondering why we need two vinny threads though.. :D
 
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what was worng with the other thread?

we need a merging mod around here..
 
Franklin said:
He's a tart, but he served his time as did Basso and Millar.

I do not doubt organizers will block him or at least try to, but if it's fair? Highly controversial.

I have to agree; it's not fair to hold people to double standards. I hate doping and want it gone, but when the UCI says 2 years is the penalty that's got to apply to everyone. It blows that Basso is back but Ulrich and Heras were forced out of the sport in shame for example; just not right to enforce the existing rules unevenly.
 
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Vino Junk Again

Fair seems to be the word of the day. So why did Ricco only get 1 year when other get 2 years for the same infraction? I love the team the way it is and honestly do not feel Vino fits. He has proven he is not a team player. (And worst of all I don't want to have to change my Kitten's name, she is anserwing to Astana already, well actually 'stana.)
 
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Vino Junk Again

Oh and I do appoligize, I did go back and check and the UCI is showing Liquigas as a PT team. I just thought I remembered reading that because of the 2 year rule(?) and the team said it was giving up the PT license. Maybe I'm confusing it with Diluca's team. The mind is not what it used to be.
 
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Vino Junk Again

Could be that's true about Ricco, but it was written that he has signed a contract good through 2010 but for a neo continetal or something team. At least he sounded humble.

OK so the debate goes on, Ricco can't ride PT for 2 years, but Vino can.

I don't know how I feel about Basso. He says he intended to dope but didn't so got 18 months. Is that why he was allowed to ride for a PT team? Or is it a case of politics.
 
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The extra 2 year rule is just a commitment made by members of the IPCT, which is a union of the Pro Tour teams. The IPCT is independent of the UCI so it has no binding association with the Pro Tour. A team can be in the Pro Tour but choose not to be in the IPCT.

I can't find a list of who is in the IPCT but Liquigas left it when they hired Basso so they didn't have to live up to the commitment. Discovery also quit the IPCT when they hired Basso because the IPCT didn't like them hiring a Puerto rider.
 
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Basso got 2 years. Ricco got 20 months, the UCI wanted 2 years but CONI and then the Arbitration Court gave him 4 months off for cooperating. Vino got 2 years also. The Kazakh Federation tried to give him just 1 year but the UCI appealed to the Arbitration Court and won.
 
Jojopoates said:
Oh and I do appoligize, I did go back and check and the UCI is showing Liquigas as a PT team. I just thought I remembered reading that because of the 2 year rule(?) and the team said it was giving up the PT license. Maybe I'm confusing it with Diluca's team. The mind is not what it used to be.

They did indeed opt out, or threaten to opt out, of the charter. At the time, it was speculated that they would lose their licence, but the UCI sat on their hands. Indeed, they adpoted Basso as their anti doping "ambassadorial" poster boy!

As Alpe has already pointed out. The Astana team was built around not just Vino, but the much more youthful (and talented) Andrei Kashesckin.
Were it not for that all important PT licence guarrantee to a Tour invite, JB/LA would simply have ridden off into the sunset, after this year's race to form a new team.
Taylor Phinney being the next golden boy of US pro racing.
LA's profile would have race organisers falling over themselves with invites and I'm sure that includes the ASO.

What I am now not sure about, whether or not LA truly had the required sponsors lined up, ready to sign those big fat checks.