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Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 17 (Sequeros > Alto de la Covatilla , 178.2 km)

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Delighted to see that today's stage was exciting and created time gaps. There was so much criticism of this stage not being hard enough as a final GC stage. However, it delivered very exciting racing and was selective.

I still believe MTFs with 6 or 7% gradients are challenging enough to create selections in the tour, giro or vuelta. Riders have to take responsibility to make the racing entertaining instead of blaming organisers for route design.

Delighted for Roglic today after his Tour heartbreak. Overall, a fantastic year for him.
 
Okay some tactical notes

  1. Jumbo did good having Hofstede in the break today.
  2. Jumbo didn't need to follow the pace of that Bora guy. Could've just let him get a gap and do your own pace. If Carapaz or Carthy want a faster pace they should use their doms or they should sit on that Bora guy.
  3. Kuss committing Seppkussu trying to close one attack is the wrong way to use him. Especailly if it's likely that they're just gonna sit up if Roglic is straight on the wheel. Today it took one attack to permanently dislodge Kuss.
 
My thoughts on the Movistar/Roglic/Carapaz whatever it was at the end of the stage. Movistar has had a long standing feud with Ineos/Sky dating back to the 2012 Tour/Vuelta with Sky/Ineos attacking when Valverde had a mechanical (Vuelta) and crash (Tour) and have never forgotten or forgiven and have taken any opportunity to go after Ineos since then as payback. Then we get the situation with Carapaz signing with Ineos BEFORE the Giro and telling Movistar they could still negotiate with them for weeks after that. Next we have Amador signing with Movistar then signing with Ineos and (he or agent) claiming he never signed anything with Movistar until Unzue showed the media the signed pre contract and demanded full payment of the out fee. That went through the courts until Movistar was finally paid the full out fee sometime in Dec 2019. Of course the agent being black listed by the team during this with Unzue saying that they wouldn't allow a Trek/Sosa situation to happen to them and they were not going to be a feeder team for Ineos. Then we also have to add one more piece of information to all of the above. Last year's Vuelta Valverde and Roglic helped each other out on several different stages where they were working together to chase down riders in front of them (mostly Lopez, Pogacar, and Quintana). (The crosswind/crash incident their documentary proved them to be correct in that they had planned on attacking in that moment on the team bus before the stage started. Roglic never really said anything publicly about that situation.) It seems that Roglic gained allies in Movistar in last year's Vuelta.
 
Valverde helped Roglic chase down Quintana, his - then - teammate? Interesting...

That would be the first stage Pogacar won and Soler was showing his anger of being asked to drop back and help Quintana. He pulled for like two pedal strokes then dropped back to Valverde complaining about the entire situation. Valverde and Roglic had been working together to chase down Pogacar and Quintana. Remember this was last year and Valverde desperately wanted be on that podium in the rainbow jersey. Also it was pretty evident in the documentary that other than Quintana the entire rest of that team was behind Valverde in that race.
 
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Vuelta lost by Carapaz.

His late attack showed he had the legs, but obviously did not have the balls to attack when he should have. On the steep part of the climb, with about 5k to go.

Better to try and lose 3rd to Carthy than to lose the Vuelta as he did.

Movistar behaviour really shameful and embarrassing.
 
Some Jumbo/Movistar memes popping up
PS: That is supposed to be Soler on the pic


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Vuelta lost by Carapaz.

His late attack showed he had the legs, but obviously did not have the balls to attack when he should have. On the steep part of the climb, with about 5k to go.

Better to try and lose 3rd to Carthy than to lose the Vuelta as he did.

Movistar behaviour really shameful and embarrassing.
It's so easy to say that from a warm, soft sofa. If he had the legs, he would attack earlier probably. It's very possible he would just blow up attacking early and loose more than gain.
 
maybe thats why carapaz looks like he is the middle of existential crisis after every stage, he knows deep inside he didnt conduct himself in gentlemanly manner before signing with ineos...how do you like them apples now ,richard? :redapple:
 
Okay some tactical notes

  1. Jumbo did good having Hofstede in the break today.
  2. Jumbo didn't need to follow the pace of that Bora guy. Could've just let him get a gap and do your own pace. If Carapaz or Carthy want a faster pace they should use their doms or they should sit on that Bora guy.
  3. Kuss committing Seppkussu trying to close one attack is the wrong way to use him. Especailly if it's likely that they're just gonna sit up if Roglic is straight on the wheel. Today it took one attack to permanently dislodge Kuss.

On point 2, what doms, lol?

I think apart from the Jumbo 2-some and Schelling , only Astana and Movistar had more than 1 rider in the group.

And I don't believe that it was a very brutal pace by Schelling as Gaudu was 2nd fastest of all in the last 8k of Covatilla going without any help.

View: https://twitter.com/ybenrajeb/status/1325139194285498370/photo/1


Unless of course I am underestimating him and he was on super day.
 
On point 2, what doms, lol?

I think apart from the Jumbo 2-some and Schelling , only Astana and Movistar had more than 1 rider in the group.

And I don't believe that it was a very brutal pace by Schelling as Gaudu was 2nd fastest of all in the last 8k of Covatilla going without any help.

View: https://twitter.com/ybenrajeb/status/1325139194285498370/photo/1


Unless of course I am underestimating him and he was on super day.
Yeah there was a headwind, but also both Gaudu was really strong and the favorites just not super strong.