WADA reconsidering Clenbuterol levels

[zigmeister]

Nobody can definitely say, due to lack of testing/enforcement and use of clen in animals, exactly what levels one may expect to find in a variety of food around the World. It is all over the map, literally, the levels one might find. Even if there are laws against its use, who is to say/enforce and guarantee that it still isn't contaminated and farmers are complying?

If they set a level, then athletes can just take Clen and stay below that level. Hey, it's below the level, like Hematocrit, so they are OK. Basically they are allowing some type of acceptable doping/levels that could possibly be found in food that is contaminated.

"What? You found Clen in my sample? Well, is it below the level you have arbitrarily set? Oh it is? Yeah, I ate some food from that taco truck over there in town...must have come from that. Have a nice day, see you tomorrow at the Start line for the next stage!"

I don't see how a passport method would even help with this either.

They are in a real pickle with this one. The argument Contador/Lawyers came up with provides simple reasonable doubt and reality that food can/does get contaminated. It is a good one and a way to beat the system.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nobody can definitely say, due to lack of testing/enforcement and use of clen in animals, exactly what levels one may expect to find in a variety of food around the World. It is all over the map, literally, the levels one might find. Even if there are laws against its use, who is to say/enforce and guarantee that it still isn't contaminated and farmers are complying?

If they set a level, then athletes can just take Clen and stay below that level. Hey, it's below the level, like Hematocrit, so they are OK. Basically they are allowing some type of acceptable doping/levels that could possibly be found in food that is contaminated.

"What? You found Clen in my sample? Well, is it below the level you have arbitrarily set? Oh it is? Yeah, I ate some food from that taco truck over there in town...must have come from that. Have a nice day, see you tomorrow at the Start line for the next stage!"

I don't see how a passport method would even help with this either.

They are in a real pickle with this one. The argument Contador/Lawyers came up with provides simple reasonable doubt and reality that food can/does get contaminated. It is a good one and a way to beat the system.

No it isn't.
Because the standard of proof per the WADA code is "the balance of probabilities".

As for the rest of your post - you are assuming that WADA are going to put in a threshold, this may not be the case - as Olivier Rabin said:

"We could make recommendations to the WADA executive committee to say over some level it's definitely doping, and at another level it could be further consideration in a context of previous results or future results of the athlete.'
..........
"We have take into account the context. We are reviewing the data and may make recommendations to the executive committee, who could make an adjustment to the rules, if needed, or they could say we want it to remain at the same level."

 

[Berzin]

Five picograms of clenbuterol isn't performance enhancing, and never was doping.

Truer words were never spoken.

How many times are you going to repeat this nonsense in every thread just to then ignore the rebuttals and say it again?

Ah Hrotha, the doping curmudgeon.

If I had to put up with 7 years of "The Cyclism", you're going to have to put up with Contador winning every grand tour he enters.

It's only right. There's two types of justice in this world-one propagated by man, which is corrupt, venal and vile.

Then there's karmic justice, which doesn't manifest itself too often but when it does, attempts to right previous wrongs, even if it's with another wrong.

 

[Granville57]

If I had to put up with 7 years of "The Cyclism", you're going to have to put up with Contador winning every grand tour he enters

Bang f'ing Bang to that!

 

[Merckx index]

Ah Hrotha, the doping curmudgeon.

If I had to put up with 7 years of "The Cyclism", you're going to have to put up with Contador winning every grand tour he enters.

It's only right. There's two types of justice in this world-one propagated by man, which is corrupt, venal and vile.

Then there's karmic justice, which doesn't manifest itself too often but when it does, attempts to right previous wrongs, even if it's with another wrong.

Steps in the evolution of LA fanboydom:

1) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean
2) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count
3) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up
4) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up, and even though all his main rivals were doped
5) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up, and even though all his main rivals were doped, and even though all his key teammates were lying dopers
6) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while doped, because they all did it and always have done it


Steps in the evolution of AC fanboydom:

1) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean
2) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on the wrong team at the wrong time
3) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on many wrong teams at the wrong times
4) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on many wrong teams at the wrong times, and ate the wrong meat at the wrong time
5) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all doped, because they all do it and always have done it, and because it’s karmic justice.

 

[sniper]

I'm not quite digging Berzin's double standards either.

 

[BYOP88]

Steps in the evolution of LA fanboydom:

1) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean
2) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count
3) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up
4) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up, and even though all his main rivals were doped
5) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while clean, not counting positive tests that don’t count, and positive tests that were covered up, and even though all his main rivals were doped, and even though all his key teammates were lying dopers
6) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who won 7 Tours while doped, because they all did it and always have done it


Steps in the evolution of AC fanboydom:

1) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean
2) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on the wrong team at the wrong time
3) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on many wrong teams at the wrong times
4) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all clean, even if he was on many wrong teams at the wrong times, and ate the wrong meat at the wrong time
5) Greatest cyclist in the history of the world who will win more GTs than Eddy, all doped, because they all do it and always have done it, and because it’s karmic justice.

ROFL!!!!

Merckx index pulls another rabbit out of the hat.

 

[jobiwan]

WADA says no threshold at the moment.

The agency issued a press release today clarifying that clenbuterol remains a prohibited substance without a lower threshold for a positive test. It also said "at present there is no plan to introduce a threshold level for clenbuterol".

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-says-no-plan-to-introduce-clenbuterol-threshold

 

[hrotha]

Ah Hrotha, the doping curmudgeon.

If I had to put up with 7 years of "The Cyclism", you're going to have to put up with Contador winning every grand tour he enters.

I had to put up with those same 7 years too, sweety, and I wouldn't like to see a repeat. Unlike you, I'm consistent.

 

[Berzin]

I had to put up with those same 7 years too, sweety, and I wouldn't like to see a repeat. Unlike you, I'm consistent.

I too am consistent. I hate Armstrong and enjoy watching Contador race, and would love to see him keep his victories and not get sanctioned for something so stupid.

The powers-that-be understand the implications of letting Alberto race while he's winning such prestigious races. No way he gets banned, because taking those victories away from him after the fact is going to make cycling look even more ridiculous than it already does.

Once you come to grips with that reality, and the fact that I'm much more anti-Armstrong than anti-doping, maybe you'll realize that it's OK to see shades of gray in this great big world of ours.

 

[ManInFull]

Truer words were never spoken.



Ah Hrotha, the doping curmudgeon.

If I had to put up with 7 years of "The Cyclism", you're going to have to put up with Contador winning every grand tour he enters.

It's only right. There's two types of justice in this world-one propagated by man, which is corrupt, venal and vile.

Then there's karmic justice, which doesn't manifest itself too often but when it does, attempts to right previous wrongs, even if it's with another wrong.

Well said. +1

 

[lean mean &green]

I too am consistent. I hate Armstrong and enjoy watching Contador race, and would love to see him keep his victories and not get sanctioned for something so stupid.

The powers-that-be understand the implications of letting Alberto race while he's winning such prestigious races. No way he gets banned, because taking those victories away from him after the fact is going to make cycling look even more ridiculous than it already does.

Once you come to grips with that reality, and the fact that I'm much more anti-Armstrong than anti-doping, maybe you'll realize that it's OK to see shades of gray in this great big world of ours.

i'm hesitant to explain this to you b/c your meltdown is so entertaining. part of me can't stand the lunacy but another part would rather see it continue for laughs. what you're calling "shades of gray" is in reality just selective ethics. i might also add that's it's untenable but you probably won't heed the warning so as you were...

 

[ChrisE]

Does anyone really believe Contador is a clean rider? I dont. He had Clen in his system, yes a minute amount, rules states Clen = Ban, give him his ban. He rides for Riis for chris sakes. He rode for Bruyneel, He rode for Saiz. The guy is a riding pharmacy.

Please do not take my name in vain. Thanks.

Yes, rules state that so he should be banned under the rule. Period. How he can get off under that strict interpretation is beyond me. Who he rides for is irrelevant under interpretation of rules for AAF.

But, most of us I believe in here, including me, think there should be a minimum threashold. The fact that it is being "studied", and the fact that CAS is not some robot, lead me to believe he will eventually get off somehow with this being some mealy-mouthed statement wrapped around the unlikelihood of contamination. YMMV.

 

[Berzin]

i'm hesitant to explain this to you b/c your meltdown is so entertaining. part of me can't stand the lunacy but another part would rather see it continue for laughs. what you're calling "shades of gray" is in reality just selective ethics. i might also add that's it's untenable but you probably won't heed the warning so as you were...

What meltdown? I'm as calm as can be. Contador is going to ride the Tour and barring any unforeseen tragedies he'll win again. My favorite rider, doped or not, will dominate this cherished event. And then he'll win his arbitration hearing and everything will go on as if nothing happened.

Nail him for EPO or other PED use or a blood transfusion and it won't surprise me one bit. I don't go around saying he's clean like the Armstrong apologists do, which is the difference between them and me.

Selective ethics? The cases of Armstrong and Contador are so different they are like night and day. If you want to talk selective ethics, the Armstrong fanboys are worse than me by a degree of a thousand.

Enjoy watching Contador win another Tour along with me. The race is only a few weeks away.

 

[hrotha]

You didn't get the memo? Armstrong fanboys have grown out of the "he was clean" phase, and they've reached the "everybody was doing it" stage. However, you're still in the "clen hardly even counts as a PED, give me a good ol' blood transfusion" phase. Hell, that means Armstrong fanboys have reached a higher level of enlightenment than you!

 

[ChrisE]

You didn't get the memo? Armstrong fanboys have grown out of the "he was clean" phase, and they've reached the "everybody was doing it" stage. However, you're still in the "clen hardly even counts as a PED, give me a good ol' blood transfusion" phase. Hell, that means Armstrong fanboys have reached a higher level of enlightenment than you!

Berzin is the biggest hypocrite in the clinic, no contest.