We need a "maillot rouge sang" for the clinic for biggest doper

[Zam_Olyas]

Stay on topic or get lost mate... you're not off the hook either.

You keep saying "your sport" so please i ask you again what is your sport mate? And i dont want to be off the proverbial hook because i love this sport of ours with all it's faults.

 

[Grandillusion]

Well you're happy to deny the plausibility (and IMO probability) of the accusations made in here - why not also deny that the thread itself exists and you have no problem. Comprende?

No, you're COMPLETELY missing my point...it's like trying to discuss with not very bright five year olds.

The plausibility question is not the important question here, and your pretence that it is, and that you actually give a **** is just a bit nauseating to observe.

Comprende?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You don't get it either do you?

All of these posters are way more culpable for the current crisis in your sport than the people they're pretending to criticize.

Positively 4th Street .

And you weren't too impressive either savaging that poor first time poster a week or two back.

Look in the mirror the lot of you.

You are asking people to look in the mirror - while at the same time accusing the wrong poster of something they did not do? Ok.

Anyway, I thought it was The Hogs role to set up trolling threads to upset the Sky believers. Moose wins this stage.

 

[thehog]

Had it been after the decision you'd have a point. Before the decision it would have been career suicide if Armstrong had managed to beat the rap (yet again). More to the point, Armstrong never made long lone breaks so would have been a pointless example.

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Did you not get the irony of Wiggins's statement?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Scarponi, contador, froome, rogers,velverde,dr. Jose are the A list.

 

[Grandillusion]

You are asking people to look in the mirror - while at the same time accusing the wrong poster of something they did not do? Ok.

Anyway, I thought it was The Hogs role to set up trolling threads to upset the Sky believers. Moose wins this stage.

Olyas is as bad as the others, don't try to obfuscate. Asking me sarcastically what "my sport" is is a ****-poor distraction technique.

What if I told him I was parapleged? What the hell has "my sport" got to do with anything in the discussion?

And if you want to try and dismiss the thread as mere lighthearted trolling to wind up the Sky fanboys that's your perogative.

I see something else, and possibilities for taking the level of the discussion somewhere interesting. OK?

Back to the sandpit if that's what you want though.

 

[ebandit]

what we need

what we need is a peloton that we can believe in...............but when

will it happen?

not yet.............but is any rider doping to excess?

zam you ask................'what is your sport'.............i'm pretty

slow on the bike.............drinking now that's something i can do to excess

 

[taiwan]

No, you're COMPLETELY missing my point...it's like trying to discuss with not very bright five year olds.

The plausibility question is not the important question here, and your pretence that it is, and that you actually give a **** is just a bit nauseating to observe.

Comprende?

If you were actually trying to discuss anything in this thread, you might write in a more straightforward way. It's like some sort of prose striptease. Anyway you're clearly the one on your high horse feigning concern in here (apparently you're not a fan of the sport ). I only posted because you were IMHO being a$$hat.

And if you think the posters in here have a responsibilty to uphold omerta for the sake of the sport (i.e. are responsible for damage to the sport's commercial potential if they discuss doping on a public forum), I disagree. If I still have your meaning wrong, just nvm, forget it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Olyas is as bad as the others, don't try to obfuscate. Asking me sarcastically what "my sport" is is a ****-poor distraction technique.

What if I told him I was parapleged? What the hell has "my sport" got to do with anything in the discussion?

And if you want to try and dismiss the thread as mere lighthearted trolling to wind up the Sky fanboys that's your perogative.

I see something else, and possibilities for taking the level of the discussion somewhere interesting. OK?

Back to the sandpit if that's what you want though.

I was not on about Olyas - you accused Palmerq of "salvaging the poor first time poster" ...... It was not Palmerq.

 

[Grandillusion]

If you were actually trying to discuss anything in this thread, you might write in a more straightforward way. It's like some sort of prose striptease. Anyway you're clearly the one on your high horse feigning concern in here (apparently you're not a fan of the sport ). I only posted because you were IMHO being a$$hat.

And if you think the posters in here have a responsibilty to uphold omerta for the sake of the sport, I disagree. If I still have your meaning wrong, just nvm, forget it.

I don't think I could be any more straightforward. I'm not claiming to be a fan, the posters on here are.

Your second paragraph makes no sense..."responsibility to uphold omerta'? What the hell does that mean?

I'm not trying to be an asshat either, or have fun trolling. Nobody seems interested in addressing the contradictions in the sport, destructive maybe fatal contradictions. It's just weird.

Anyway, I give up

 

[Grandillusion]

I was not on about Olyas - you accused Palmerq of "salvaging the poor first time poster" ...... It was not Palmerq.

Yes, I tried checking to see if I was correct on that memory, and couldn't find the quote, so apologies to Palmerq and thanks for the correction.

Anyway, I'm "out of here".

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

1. Contador, Valverde, Purito. Apparently, straight before the Vuelta chineses embeded some new molecule into good old Edgar so that it became undetectable. Or organizers carefully warned trinity about letting hit hematocrit up to 60 like in the 90s. Froome severely sucked with his outdated microdosing.
2. Wiggins, Froome.
3. Rolland, Pinot.

I have my doubts about Rolland as well. Also, Voeckler's otherworldly performance in 2011 raises some eyebrows about Europcar in general.

 

[taiwan]

I'm... trying to... have fun trolling.

Ah, ok thanks CYA.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

We should award a clinic jersey for the biggest apparent doper who has not been caught in the current year.

For the past year, I'd rate the contenders as:

1. Froome
2. Wiggins
3. Purito
4. Boonen
5. Contador

Team award: Team Sky
Most aggressive doper: Wiggins

Jörg Jaksche just joined a team and if he starts in the Tour of Okinawa and crushes everybody, perhaps he will become the biggest apparent doper.

 

[The Hitch]

well im not going to stop you :S but to post stuff like this with no evidence in my opinion is ridiculous and pretty low ... just my thoughts... I dont see how you can in good conscience pretty much flat out accuse and slander people in this way... but whatever go for it !

ugh we are not randomly accusing riders. we are listing people who lie to the fans and are openly pro doping.

If you dont find anything wrong with their behaviour, then thats your issue, but there are fans out there who exist who find it worthy of criticsm and dont just live in a binary state of outright hate to a handful of riders who failed a test and heroworship to everyone else.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

ugh we are not randomly accusing riders. we are listing people who lie to the fans and are openly pro doping.

If you dont find anything wrong with their behaviour, then thats your issue, but there are fans out there who exist who find it worthy of criticsm and dont just live in a binary state of outright hate to a handful of riders who failed a test and heroworship to everyone else.

How did you come to the conclusion that some are "openly pro doping"?

Also- Palmerq wrote...
"I dont see how you can in good conscience pretty much flat out accuse and slander people in this way" - so I don't see how are why any of the rest of your post is attributable to them.

If you want to accuse or slam riders go right ahead - but don't try and dress it up as anything more than that.

 

[silverrocket]

How did you come to the conclusion that some are "openly pro doping"?

Also- Palmerq wrote...
"I dont see how you can in good conscience pretty much flat out accuse and slander people in this way" - so I don't see how are why any of the rest of your post is attributable to them.

If you want to accuse or slam riders go right ahead - but don't try and dress it up as anything more than that.

I'm kind of in between on this issue. I think it is a big stretch to think this sort of thread is "identifying" people that are "openly pro doping", and that are known to "lie to the fans". On the other hand, I don't think there is anything wrong with this thread, or any of the hundreds of others in which posters speculate on who they think is doping. Nobody is accusing anybody of anything, since if they had evidence they would be going to WADA (hopefully not the UCI!). It IS important for posters to include their reasons for naming particular riders they think are doping, but this is just so there is a basis for discussion and not just a "this rider did really well, I don't like him or his country". It is worth remembering that Lance Armstrong was once just a rider that had never been busted for doping, and was just the subject of countless threads speculating on whether he was doping or not, and such speculation DID help get the evidence out there.

 

[WinterRider]

In 2012, it has to be Michele Ferrari, although this is based on the revelation of retrospective data. On pure 2012 data, i.e. speculation on performances together with a single appreciable candidate, it's probably Ibarguren.

Focusing on riders is daft - this jersey competition should be totally dominated by doctors.

In that case, Sky's Geert Leinders by a landslide, although the one blemish on his season is his apparently terrible work with Cavendish. Anyone who watched MSR this year knows that his program suffered terribly this year.

 

[ebandit]

catchy

ugh we are not randomly accusing riders. we are listing people who lie to the fans and are openly pro doping.

If you dont find anything wrong with their behaviour, then thats your issue, but there are fans out there who exist who find it worthy of criticsm and dont just live in a binary state of outright hate to a handful of riders who failed a test and heroworship to everyone else.

openly pro doping? by nature dopers are secretive keeping details under

wraps...........that's why it's so easy to accuse

as i'm not so bright....who do you infer hitch?

then if it's true i'm likely to find much wrong with their behaviour.......

.............meanwhile...........................

 

[Snafu352]

ugh we are not randomly accusing riders. we are listing people who lie to the fans and are openly pro doping.

If you dont find anything wrong with their behaviour, then thats your issue, but there are fans out there who exist who find it worthy of criticsm and dont just live in a binary state of outright hate to a handful of riders who failed a test and heroworship to everyone else.

LOL

10 char

 

[EarnstMorrissey]

Can't believe no-one has singled out Purito.

Crazy form from the start to the end of the year where he climbed, if not out-climbed with Contador and Valverde. How many times this year did he sprint away from everyone at the end of a hard climb?

If he could time trial slightly better he may have won two grand tours. That day he lost time to Contador and Valverde in the mountains is the only bad day I can remember him having.

Despite having a stellar season, he has gone very much under the radar compared to guys like Froome, who also has never had a past doping offense. Purito rides for a much dirtier team, comes from a country with a terrible doping reputation yet seems to escape alot of scrutiny (I know some call him out, but less compared to Froome or the found out dopers like Contador).

To his benefit he is less idiotic about his statements to the media than Sanchez.

Purito has my nomination.

 

[pedaling squares]

There were a few slanderous parasites in the past decade who turned out to be rather truthy when all was said and done.

Anyway, Froome for the maillot rouge sang. It took a hell of a micro-effort in July to rip the jersey off Boonen's back, but he did it.

 

[noddy69]

Most suspect riders of the year...
The podium places go to the spanish trio for the vuelta.
A close fourth is team sky for banishing the rest of the peleton to non runners.

Really though overall this year for suspect performances it has to go to the UCI. After all we have seen ,and there are alot more suspect performances than those.....like sagan dancing over the line and others,we have no positive test from any suspect riders...again.

Clean sport ? yeah right. Its dirty from the top .

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

Surely the Olympic road race champion is a contender.

 

[frenchfry]

Surely the Olympic road race champion is a contender.

Vino is hors catégorie as a serial doper