What a crock

[_yngve_]

Just read this, and am still busy wiping the tears away after spending the afternoon weeping for poor Lance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-trial-fr_b_750102.html

What a bunch of manure.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

Just read this, and am still busy wiping the tears away after spending the afternoon weeping for poor Lance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-trial-fr_b_750102.html

What a bunch of manure.

Wrong Kafka work for Tex, Huffington Post. They should have used The Metamorphosis.

Something along the lines of:
Lance Armstrong woke from uneasy dreams one morning to find himself changed into a GT contender.

 

[nvpacchi]

Wrong Kafka work for Tex, Huffington Post. They should have used The Metamorphosis.

Something along the lines of:
Lance Armstrong woke from uneasy dreams one morning to find himself changed into a GT contender.

Oh that's good!

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

Big difference between The Trial and Lance's case: Lance has not been arested yet. So, of course the government hasn't told him what his crime is. They are still investigating!

 

[goggalor]

Wonder how much that article cost Lance. Probably a couple of Floyd Fairness Funds for the Kafka reference alone.

 

[The Hitch]

Just read this, and am still busy wiping the tears away after spending the afternoon weeping for poor Lance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-trial-fr_b_750102.html

What a bunch of manure.

you use the same username for different websites. Tut tut tut

Anyway nice try, but i think the best way to convince people about Lance is to give the Ashenden samples link.

 

[_yngve_]

you use the same username for different websites. Tut tut tut

Anyway nice try, but i think the best way to convince people about Lance is to give the Ashenden samples link.

Variations on the username, anyway.

I tried to post that link (along with the transcript of the JV/Andreu conversation, Velocitynation's interview with Betsy, Sports Science's analysis of Watts/KG for past TdF editions, and a few others) but the censors haven't seen fit to approve my post

 

[BullsFan22]

Well, I guess once you go this far and lie this much, you might as well keep going. I am sure it's been awhile since he's realized he is lying. He's lied so much, he is actually believing more and more. I sure hope he doesn't go brain dead.

 

[usedtobefast]

the point of the article seems lost on some people. can a US citizen be charged in the US for using nonperscribed drugs, purchased in Europe,used in France.
i am not a fan or unfan on LA. but the question was just very plain.
Novistky is trying to tie it in to USPS being a government agency and Lance
being on the USPS team. we shall see.

 

[BikeCentric]

Good grief I could only read the first paragraph before starting to hurl up my lunch. What a bunch of absolute horse manure. Armstrong is perhaps the most disgusting POS in the history of sport. Pete Rose looks like a Saint compared to him.

 

[BikeCentric]

the point of the article seems lost on some people. can a US citizen be charged in the US for using nonperscribed drugs, purchased in Europe,used in France.
i am not a fan or unfan on LA. but the question was just very plain.
Novistky is trying to tie it in to USPS being a government agency and Lance
being on the USPS team. we shall see.

The point is he hasn't been charged with anything yet. So your fictional point as well as the articles points are pointless.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Wonder how much that article cost Lance. Probably a couple of Floyd Fairness Funds for the Kafka reference alone.

That's nothing compared to what he is spending on war of public opinion. Every article about Lance in major press (big newspapers, Outside, ESPN, etc.) has for their first three comments in the comments section 1) Mentioning "witch hunt" 2) mentioning all the good lance has done and we should just let it go 3) the government should spending our tax dollars on more important stuff like salmonella in eggs.

I am going to start another thread about this because I find it amazing that someone would do this - especially since his public persona is saying he has nothing to hide.

Same talking points all over:

See for yourself:
http://outsideonline.com/adventure/travel-ta-201010-jeff-novitzky-doping-sidwcmdev_151848.html

http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/5605618

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...e_voicemails_now_part_of_armstrong_probe.html

 

[scribe]

the point of the article seems lost on some people. can a US citizen be charged in the US for using nonperscribed drugs, purchased in Europe,used in France.
i am not a fan or unfan on LA. but the question was just very plain.
Novistky is trying to tie it in to USPS being a government agency and Lance
being on the USPS team. we shall see.

I'd fear smoking the marijuana in Amsterdam if this case boils down to that.

Which makes the compelling question, will Armstrong admit to doping behind the GJ's closed doors?

If he does, that removes novitsky's silver bullet perjury charge he has loaded in his gun. After this much expense, he'll probably try a fraud charge just to let the public 'know' the truth about the blue trains sporting achievement, even if he knows it'll be difficult to make the charge stick.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I'd fear smoking the marijuana in Amsterdam if this case boils down to that.

Which makes the compelling question, will Armstrong admit to doping behind the GJ's closed doors?

If he does, that removes novitsky's silver bullet perjury charge he has loaded in his gun. After this much expense, he'll probably try a fraud charge just to let the public 'know' the truth about the blue trains sporting achievement, even if he knows it'll be difficult to make the charge stick.

If he admits in the GJ, he is toast. Don't forget the whistle blown by Landis.

 

[scribe]

If he admits in the GJ, he is toast. Don't forget the whistle blown by Landis.

Ergo, the point of the article. Is it a crime to smoke pot in Amsterdam? I hope not. Beyond that, they gotta prove fraud after he admits, not as easy as you hope, if they even choose to press charges.

All roads lead to a toasted Armstrong, it seems to me. What's curious is just how burnt he is gonna get.

 

[usedtobefast]

The point is he hasn't been charged with anything yet. So your fictional point as well as the articles points are pointless.

eh? step away from the bong dude...or not

 

[ergmonkey]

the point of the article seems lost on some people. can a US citizen be charged in the US for using nonperscribed drugs, purchased in Europe,used in France.
i am not a fan or unfan on LA. but the question was just very plain.
Novistky is trying to tie it in to USPS being a government agency and Lance
being on the USPS team. we shall see.

Try asking the above question again with a fraud charge and the following three elements in mind: U.S. employer; U.S. employee; U.S. contract.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Well, I guess once you go this far and lie this much, you might as well keep going. I am sure it's been awhile since he's realized he is lying. He's lied so much, he is actually believing more and more. I sure hope he doesn't go brain dead.

What you do when you're in so deep that you can't see a way out?

Keep going.

 

[usedtobefast]

Try asking the above question again with a fraud charge and the following three elements in mind: U.S. employer; U.S. employee; U.S. contract.

i think that is the point, right?but the caveat is, all this takes place on non US territory. maybe some extraordinary rendition is called for. things can be very muddy when politics come in to play. and they are for sure.

 

[ingsve]

Just read this, and am still busy wiping the tears away after spending the afternoon weeping for poor Lance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-trial-fr_b_750102.html

What a bunch of manure.

Well, I wouldn't expect any better from the Huff Po. They constantly run articles that promote anti-vaccination propaganda and other unscientific articles. I have no faith in their reporting.

 

[luckyboy]

"Semantics has played a large part in the investigation of Lance Armstrong. The word "dope" broadly conjures up things like heroin. But nothing remotely like that has been involved."

 

[SpartacusRox]

you use the same username for different websites. Tut tut tut

Anyway nice try, but i think the best way to convince people about Lance is to give the Ashenden samples link.

Yeah but only if those 'people' are braindead.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Variations on the username, anyway.

I tried to post that link (along with the transcript of the JV/Andreu conversation, Velocitynation's interview with Betsy, Sports Science's analysis of Watts/KG for past TdF editions, and a few others) but the censors haven't seen fit to approve my post

Why don't you post Betsy's cross examination from 2006, that would be interesting. Don't think you would particularly like it though.

 

[Animal]

What you do when you're in so deep that you can't see a way out?

Keep going.

I'm sure that a career and public image based on lies does end up having an effect on mental health eventually.

And the degree of harm does probably depend on the pre-existing mental state, but I think it will harm most people.

I mean look at Pantani, Jimenez, VDB etc. I think their insistent denial that they'd ever done any wrong hurt their mental health. You cannot hold up the walls of unreality without detriment.

I think Landis has realized this.

The Chicken is a case in point. His recent public outbursts have been disturbingly delusional.

I don't think Armstrong is going to top himself, but I don't think he's going to be able to rationalize a way out of his situation. If he continues to lead the rest if his entire life in a self-described bubble of unreality it's going to be unpleasant for him. How is he going to uphold any meaningful human relationships when he lives in this one-man world?

 

[Benotti69]

I'm sure that a career and public image based on lies does end up having an effect on mental health eventually.

And the degree of harm does probably depend on the pre-existing mental state, but I think it will harm most people.

I mean look at Pantani, Jimenez, VDB etc. I think their insistent denial that they'd ever done any wrong hurt their mental health. You cannot hold up the walls of unreality without detriment.

I think Landis has realized this.

The Chicken is a case in point. His recent public outbursts have been disturbingly delusional.

I don't think Armstrong is going to top himself, but I don't think he's going to be able to rationalize a way out of his situation. If he continues to lead the rest if his entire life in a self-described bubble of unreality it's going to be unpleasant for him. How is he going to uphold any meaningful human relationships when he lives in this one-man world?

Has he had any till now? Seems he started living in the one man world from an early age......