What are the useful legal drugs used by cyclists?

[sponsor]

This is a non doping thread which is why I did not post in the clinic.

What are useful legal (not on WADA list/dose) drugs/vitamins - non calorie substances (not food) that would not be a WADA violation cyclists can take to improve their performance?

Caffeine. What else?

 

[willbick]

tramadol apparently!

 

[sir fly]

This is a non doping thread which is why I did not post in the clinic.

What are useful legal (not on WADA list/dose) drugs/vitamins - non calorie substances (not food) that would not be a WADA violation cyclists can take to improve their performance?

Caffeine. What else?

Everything's legal with the prescription.

 

[laurel1969]

Tea, mostly.

 

[Jancouver]

Everything that is not on the WADA list and everything you have a TUE for.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

This is a non doping thread which is why I did not post in the clinic.

What are useful legal (not on WADA list/dose) drugs/vitamins - non calorie substances (not food) that would not be a WADA violation cyclists can take to improve their performance?

Caffeine. What else?

Refer to Group A in this link which have good evidence of ergogenic efficacy, and possibly some of Group B which need more research:

http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/austr...ce_principles/supplement_group_classification

Group A

Group B

 

[sponsor]

Everything's legal with the prescription.

Not true. More to it than that.

 

[sponsor]

Refer to Group A in this link which have good evidence of ergogenic efficacy, and possibly some of Group B which need more research:

http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/austr...ce_principles/supplement_group_classification

Group A

Group B

Useful:
Caffeine
B-alanine
Bicarbonate
Beetroot juice (food) think its the Nitrates
Creatine

What about ibuprofen or aspirin?
Defamatory and I believe thins the blood a bit and somewhat a pain killer, although I don't think pain is an issue usually.

 

[sponsor]

Everything that is not on the WADA list and everything you have a TUE for.

If its not on the WADA list you don't need a TUE. If there is a TUE it is on the WADA list.
Both are covered in my original post. Anything on the WADA list - is not what I'm asking about.

 

[avanti]

Vitamin D maybe
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19346976

Not a drug but living at high altitude then competing at low altitude.

 

[JohnNordin]

What about pain killers? What rules govern them?

 

[sponsor]

What about pain killers? What rules govern them?

WADA http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in-competition/prohibited-substances

During event pain killers offers little advantage (IMO) as most riders deal well with pain. They can ride with broken bones. And many pain killers are depressants / may slow you down.

For sleeping - maybe. But again, that can come with a cost.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

If its not on the WADA list you don't need a TUE. If there is a TUE it is on the WADA list.
Both are covered in my original post. Anything on the WADA list - is not what I'm asking about.

add to that, that not everything on the WADA prohibited substances and methods list is ergogenic.

 

[Volderke]

During event pain killers offers little advantage (IMO) as most riders deal well with pain. They can ride with broken bones. And many pain killers are depressants / may slow you down.

For sleeping - maybe. But again, that can come with a cost.

Seriously? Does it matter for pro riders it comes with a cost? Tramadol and the likes are just below morphine, or (like Levorphanol) on the level of morphine. They effectively reduce pain which every rider has deep in the finale of a race, so you can 'go the extra mile'.

 

[DFA123]

Useful:
Caffeine
B-alanine
Bicarbonate
Beetroot juice (food) think its the Nitrates
Creatine

What about ibuprofen or aspirin?
Defamatory and I believe thins the blood a bit and somewhat a pain killer, although I don't think pain is an issue usually.

I wouldn't under-estimate the effect that pain killers can have. From personal experience, caffeine and ibuprofen give me a massive boost, especially if timed to kick in before a long climb or attempted breakaway. I'm not as tough as the pro's though. http://forum.cyclingnews.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Creatine is an interesting one; I can see how it is useful for building strength in the off-season, and I guess it can help sprinters. For most of the peloton though, it would just cause them to carry unnecessary bulk and water weight.

 

[Catwhoorg]

This is a non doping thread which is why I did not post in the clinic.

What are useful legal (not on WADA list/dose) drugs/vitamins - non calorie substances (not food) that would not be a WADA violation cyclists can take to improve their performance?

Caffeine. What else?

There is ample opportunity for taking stimulants which are on the list Out of competition. Many are banned IC only.

This can significantly aid crash weight loss.

 

[plooton]

piracetam (and derivates), Wellbutrin (bupropion)

 

[Christian]

What about ibuprofen or aspirin?
Defamatory and I believe thins the blood a bit and somewhat a pain killer, although I don't think pain is an issue usually.

I was thinking about that as well

 

[sponsor]

Seriously? Does it matter for pro riders it comes with a cost? ...

Yes, and yes. The cost being it may slow you down the next day. Some ergogenics (good word Alex) may help with recovery, but the rider wouldn't want them during an event. A pro may not want to go 100% on the day before a significant stage. Grand tour TTs for the domestiques would be an example.

 

[DirtyWorks]

How about Testosterone and HGH? Just don't cross the T/E ratio test (4:1 when the norm is near 1:1) and you are good to go. Oh, and then you might need this guy. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072?

All of what's legal-ish is covered in great detail in bodybuilding forums.

Timing your PED's to never test positive is easy enough to do. It's why the bio-passport is an IQ test.

IMO, this thread needs to close.

 

[Donkey]

rohypnol + 3 beers and then ITT

 

[Jancouver]

If its not on the WADA list you don't need a TUE. If there is a TUE it is on the WADA list.
Both are covered in my original post. Anything on the WADA list - is not what I'm asking about.

OK then.
Coffee and Ibuprofen before the race and red wine and sex after the race.

 

[Dr. Juice]

rohypnol + 3 beers and then ITT

Everybody would do a Froome then. On the flat.

 

[Michele]

 

[JayKosta]

The thread itself is fine, only trouble is that there is very little actual discussion about what type of LEGAL/non-prohibited substances can be used to increase performance, decrease recovery time, etc.

So far the list seems to only contain these that were mentioned earlier -

Caffeine (a chemical that is in some food and which acts as a simulant)

B-alanine (a natural amino acid that supposedly can reduce muscle fatigue and increase performance)

Bicarbonate (a chemical substance that buffers lactate buildup)

Beetroot juice (food) think its the Nitrates (food based substances that supposedly increases the utilization of oxygen by muscles)

Anyone else have suggestions? I happend to benefit from eating jelly beans after an exhausting exercise session as a way to reduce fatigue.

Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA