Progsprach said:
Well, since some here have been discussing the merits of the new vs the old points system, I thought I would opinionate on it as well:
The good thing about the new system is that the jersey is more likely to go to an actual mountains rider, however what i think harms the contest is the small number of riders getting points. With the higher number of points at intermediate sprints the bunch actually contests those as well, while with the mountains all the points are already distributed.
With that said my personal system for the mountains would be as follows.
4th category: 3/2/1
3rd category/ 4th category finish: 6/4/3/2/1
2nd category/ 3rd category finish: 15/12/9/6/4/3/2/1
1st category/ 2nd category finish: 30/26/22/18/15/12/9/6/4/3/2/1
HC/ 1st category finish: 50/45/40/35/30/26/22/18/15/12/9/6/4/3/2/1
HC finish: 80/74/68/62/56/50/45/40/35/30/26/22/18/15/12/9/6/4/3/2/1
I think something like this would result in a competition that is both fair ( but still slanted towards real climbers) and encourages agressive riding.
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Not sure giving too many points to riders who don't care about the jersey would be much better. I guess if the winner has about 150 points it's way enough. Otherwise it's just to complicated to read the ranking.
Otherwise I completely agree to promote a 4th category to 3rd category when it's at the finish, a 3rd becoming 2nd category, etc..
It's much better than just doubling the points.
My system would be as follows:
4th (2 riders) 2 - 1
3th/4th finish (3) 4 - 2 - 1
2nd/3th finish (6) 8 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
1st/2nd finish (10) 20 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1
HC/1st finish (12) 30 - 24 - 20 - 16 - 14 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
HC MTF (15) 40 - 32 - 26 - 22 - 20 - 18 - 16 - 14 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1
I guess it's balanced.
With this system, the GC riders would definitely score many points at MTF, and could grab a few points during the stage if they want.
A rider would have no chance to win the overall competition without scoring on the main mountains.
Note our 2 systems would probably end up with the same winner ;-)
Who's sending it to Tour de France organizers ? ;-)
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For green jersey, I would put 2 intermediate sprints during the stage (around 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the stage) with the following points:
15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 (10 riders)
and all stages (flat, mountain and time-trial) with the same points at the finish:
35-30-26-23-20-17-15-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (20 riders)
Like this, sprinters would still have more chance to win it, but a good overall rider (such as Sagan, Boasson Hagen) could still batlle for it, by going into breakaways on non-flat stages.