What if Contador gets the Giro taken away. Would you still see him as the winner.

[The Hitch]

I ask this because in a few weeks Contador (should he finish as expected in 1st) might have his Giro taken away and would like to see what fans in the Pro racing section, not the Armstrong subforum, aka clinic, think about taking gts away.

So no doping talk, just do you see the guy standing on the podium or the guy who gets the jersey afterwards, as the legitimate winner.

 

[roundabout]

Nah, he has enough of a cult following to vote 'Contador' so I'll just respect the rules and vote accordingly.

 

[boomcie]

I ask this because in a few weeks Contador (should he finish as expected in 1st) might have his Giro taken away and would like to see what fans in the Pro racing section, not the Armstrong subforum, aka clinic, think about taking gts away.

So no doping talk, just do you see the guy standing on the podium or the guy who gets the jersey afterwards, as the legitimate winner.

I wouldn't see him as the winner.

He shouldn't be the winner either, cause in my book he's not allowed to ride atm. I wonder if Nibali, Scarponi and Anton are really considering this during the race. Would be kind of the smart thing to do.

EDIT: no way you're gonna keep this topic clean!

 

[hrotha]

Rules are rules. Whoever is awarded the win is the winner.

 

[spalco]

Contador would be the legitimate winner in my eyes. Imo this whole business of exchanging medals and jersey is nonsense. If it's decided the winner cheated, take away his prizes and honours, but the second man can never become the winner retroactively as far I'm concerned.

 

[boomcie]

Contador would be the legitimate winner in my eyes. Imo this whole business of exchanging medals and jersey is nonsense. If it's decided the winner cheated, take away his prizes and honours, but the second man can never become the winner retroactively as far I'm concerned.

That's bull. And massively unfair.

 

[spalco]

That's bull. And massively unfair.

Is Contador cheating now? Not as far as we know. Did Pereiro deserve winning the TdF? Would Ullrich take any pleasure in getting a couple used yellow jersey years after the fact? No and no. If you must, then strike the winner's name from the record books, but don't pretend the loser won. If that's unfair, ok, but it's my opinion.

 

[roundabout]

The 'loser' stayed within the rules in the period before and during the race.

 

[boomcie]

Is Contador cheating now? Not as far as we know. Did Pereiro deserve winning the TdF? Would Ullrich take any pleasure in getting a couple used yellow jersey years after the fact? No and no. If you must, then strike the winner's name from the record books, but don't pretend the loser won. If that's unfair, ok, but it's my opinion.

I can't answer to this without ruining the topic and having it transferred.

 

[c&cfan]

The 'loser' stayed within the rules in the period before and during the race.

hypocrisy at his best...

real life mate, wake up.

 

[roundabout]

Suck it up, buttercup.

And I certainly don't need a one-eyed fanboy telling me to wake up.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

This is an extremely useful poll for assembling a list of forum contributors whose opinions need not be taken seriously.

 

[hrotha]

This is an extremely useful poll for assembling a list of forum contributors whose opinions need not be taken seriously.

Yay, I'm on the right side of the forum demography!

 

[c&cfan]

Suck it up, buttercup.

And I certainly don't need a one-eyed fanboy telling me to wake up.

yes.

if armstrong was using the same as the others, he should keep the crown. same with conti indurain ulle marco lemond hinault fignon anquetil coppi. merckx wasn't. so i am a fanboy of all those guys...and the ones that were in the podium too.

suck it up buttercup.

 

[Walkman]

The way I see it, being at the top of the podium in Milan, wearing the pink jersey and receiving the trophy for the overall victory is, according to me, the definition of winnig the Grio. To miss all that and be "rewarded" the victory a few weeks later seems kind of lame. So I guess I'd say no winner.

That's way I think cyclist should be able to choose. Either you wait for the CAS to give their verdict and the time passig counts as "served time" if convicted. The other scenario would be that of AC. You start racing but if you get convicted you will be given a 2 year ban starting from the day when CAS announces it (yes the ban will be longer). Of course your results during the time will be erased and you will be forced to give back all the price money.

What do you think about this?

 

[roundabout]

yes.

if armstrong was using the same as the others, he should keep the crown. same with conti indurain ulle marco lemond hinault fignon anquetil coppi. merckx wasn't. so i am a fanboy of all those guys...and the ones that were in the podium too.

suck it up buttercup.

WADA should hire you instead of wasting money on drug testing.

How's your gaydar, btw?

 

[c&cfan]

WADA should hire you instead of wasting money on drug testing.

How's your gaydar, btw?

great. you are on it.

how can someone be so hypocrite? maybe you are just "something else"?

i guess so... clearly you are the "fanboy" of other than contador, based on your reaction, a stupid one. that fits you based on what i am reading mr gaydar.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Podium placings are always final as far as I'm concerned regardless of what happens afterwards. Contador shouldn't have been invited. Either stop riders taking part or catch them during the race - retrospective record-book amendments mean zero to me

 

[L'arriviste]

If he crosses the line first in Milan, for me he won't be the winner. And I doubt I'll change my mind even if CAS clears him.

The whole business has dragged on for so long that I just kind of feel that way about him now. Sorry, folks: it's my prejudice and I'll live with it!

 

[roundabout]

great. you are on it.

how can someone be so hypocrite? maybe you are just "something else"?

i guess so... clearly you are the "fanboy" of other than contador, based on your reaction, a stupid one. that fits you based on what i am reading mr gaydar.

I think I'll stop. You're not worth getting me banned.

 

[spalco]

Btw. I agree that Contador shouldn't have been allowed to start in the Giro, but now that he's here, I'm not going to just ignore his performance.

 

[luckyboy]

I voted Contador, but I think it'd be best to leave first place empty.

Don't understand the massive hate some people seem to have for AC though.


I think if he does get banned it should start from the CAS verdict + obviously lose the Tour win.

 

[Fus087]

That's way I think cyclist should be able to choose. Either you wait for the CAS to give their verdict and the time passig counts as "served time" if convicted. The other scenario would be that of AC. You start racing but if you get convicted you will be given a 2 year ban starting from the day when CAS announces it (yes the ban will be longer). Of course your results during the time will be erased and you will be forced to give back all the price money.

What do you think about this?

I agree. That's the way it should be.
I can see a couple of problems though: If a rider chooses the first option and is acquitted, what do you do with the time he's been suspended? He should obviously have some kind of reimbursement for that. And there should be a difference between an acquittal appealed to CAS (by UCI, WADA or whoever else), and a suspension appealed to CAS (by the rider).

To me, Pereiro is the winner of the 2006 Tour. Therefore I can give no other answer than: The guy who came 2nd will be the winner of the 2011 Giro if Contador is banned.

The main problem though is that all these cases take way too long, a rider, his team mates, his opponents, and cycling fans shouldn't be kept in limbo for that much time.

 

[Carl0880]

I voted Contador, but I think it'd be best to leave first place empty.

Don't understand the massive hate some people seem to have for AC though.


I think if he does get banned it should start from the CAS verdict + obviously lose the Tour win.

This is the point of view i agree with. If he gets banned, then lose the Tour title, but dont take away the results between the end of the Tour the decisions, as long as all controls come back clean. You take away the results you are virtual saying that you are banned and you never particpated in those races in between, basically a double whammy.

If these proceedings would only take 3-6 months, then I would be alright with cancelling all the results in between because of the short period, but a years worth, he has had to much affect on the races to just strike it from memory.

The main problem is the length of the appeals.

 

[Dutchsmurf]

Btw. I agree that Contador shouldn't have been allowed to start in the Giro, but now that he's here, I'm not going to just ignore his performance.

There was no legal ground to stop him from entering. At the moment, from a legal point of view, he is completely innocent after all.

About the topic, this is a hard one. It would be easier if he got caught for something during the Giro. But now I don't think I will be able to see someone else as winner.