I was just thinking of this a few minutes ago and one of them included riding up a mountain called Beechmont on the Gold Coast, and due to a lack of time for many people, a popular group training ride goes up to Lower Beechmont, which stops at a bus shelter 6.7km up (it is a lot longer then that, to the very top, even though it flattens out a lot more, goes for another 18 or 19km), and then turn around and ride back for a coffee, or for some, to go to work. On a Thursday (the day the bunch goes up it) I did it, and I later did it another two times (going back down and riding back up) with another three people, dropping them each time as they wheel sucked off me. Idiots for wanting to do a 6% climb in the big chainring as they call it "strength training". Although I went for a 50km recovery ride the following day and I was absolutely shattered, with my knees and hamstrings quite sore.