That is crazy and unfair.SetonHallPirate said:One thing I would like to see, but we'll never see it (due to UCI rules), is a Team Time Trial on the Champs-Elysses. Would completely magnify the importance in keeping all nine of your riders in the race all the way to Paris if possible.
This, allthough I might go as far as saying that there should be a last 50km rule in those flat stages. The flat stages cause the biggest gaps, becuase of crashes. Ofcourse there has to be a timelimit.El Pistolero said:7 man teams for starters. Shorter stages to compensate, but the queen stages would still be 200km+.
Flat stages would be not longer than 150km. I'd either ditch the silly prologue or put bonus seconds back in the race. I don't want to spend another week looking at Cancellara in yellow, it happens every freaking year. And one serious mountain stage in the first week. Preferably on a Sunday. 3km rule would not count on stages with an uphill finish longer than a km.
Bonus seconds would be on offer on mountains/hills in the same way KoM points are distributed. 20 seconds if you cross a HC/1st category mountain first, 18 for second, 16 for third, etc
Time bonus would be halved for second category mountains and again for third category. No time bonus on fourth category hills unless it's the finish.
That would reduce whole climbs to a sprint to the summitEl Pistolero said:Bonus seconds would be on offer on mountains/hills in the same way KoM points are distributed. 20 seconds if you cross a HC/1st category mountain first, 18 for second, 16 for third, etc
Actually there is a point in extending the range. The problems usually start when the pace goes up due to the sprinttrains closing the gap on the escapees. Normally the pace goes up in the last 25ish KM (closing the gap earlier is silly as there will be new escapees).LaFleur said:I would agree with some of those rules like detour for the GC men and less teams and so on. But giving the same time to all crashers in the 25km? That's a bit much aint it? Next time the crash could very well happen 30km from the finish and people would want to move it again.. 50km? Why not give the same time to every finisher in every stage then? No matter what happens.
I think the rules are just fine as they are right now, the riders make the race, not the rules.
The main objective would be to stop those massive crashes tho. I don't really think that there are any teams where 1 rider thinks: "oh damn, I lost 2 minutes today". Preventing the crashes happening in the first place should be the priority and even when the GC men wouldn't worry about it so much anymore, the sprinter teams will keep jostling for positions and it could still make mass crashes.Franklin said:Actually there is a point in extending the range. The problems usually start when the pace goes up due to the sprinttrains closing the gap on the escapees. Normally the pace goes up in the last 25ish KM (closing the gap earlier is silly as there will be new escapees).
There is a "fairness" issue here... do we want to keep on punishing riders for crashing? Is this punishment making the peloton even more nervous and causing more crashes?
What sport just goes on when people are lying bleeding at the game-court? Even boxing stops for wound treatment.
However, what the cobbles and hills do, is ensure the bunch isn't 180 strong at the time. There are people who have been tailed off, meaning there is more room at the front for everybody who's still protecting their interests, which makes crashing LESS likely.Dutchsmurf said:I see lots of insane ideas in this thread. Makes me wonder if people are watching the same race as I am. Cobbles or Amstel Gold like stages in the first week? They tried cobbles a couple years ago and I can't say it was a success. The peleton is even more nervous now than it was back then. Cobbles or small roads over lots of hills is just asking for crashes all over the place.
The argument was to make it more exciting, not to limit crashes. It would be less easy to control a stage. On a side note, peloton size does have a significant influence on crashes. I'll see if i can find a link.Dutchsmurf said:Smaller teams won't do anything to limit the crashes. There will still be 100+ people wanting to be in the first 20 positions.
Quite frankly this is nonsense. Nobody can concentrate for 5 hours, not even the best chess players. Yet concentration is a big part of crashes. Cutting the amount of time on the bike cuts down this problem to manageable size. Considering that everything above the last 50 KM is usually trash-km's anyways cutting the time on the road is a realistic idea. It certainly has disadvantages, as it would take away some of the heroics, but for the spectator nothing would change.Shorter stages make no difference for crashes or anything either. They are trained profs, they are more than capable of doing 200km every day. I don't see why this is even suggested by some.
Exactly, because half of those will have crashed somewhere already. The last time the Tour used cobbles, there wouldn't have been any selection at all if Frank Schleck (or someone else later) hadn't crashed. That crash caused the selection, not the cobbles.Libertine Seguros said:However, what the cobbles and hills do, is ensure the bunch isn't 180 strong at the time.