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no Aristotelian fallacy that innitMoose McKnuckles said:Team Sky are a complete fraud, but other teams are catching up.
i just luv the appellation motomanDirtyWorks said:Yeah, but that improvement was exactly like 2012's revolutionary performances.
I postulate they have their own Motoman that gets the GT guys so skinny with ultra-super-duper never-seen-before power output. Remember that the classics riders do not have access to the same incredible power at super, super low weights. Why? I have no idea.
Ferminal said:by groups of individuals at arms length from the "team".
pugdog said:that's true, going from Cold War nuclear stand off, to terrorist attacks....
sniper said:But the question here is not whether sky dope.
The question is, if sky dope on a team-level, would kerrison be the right man to supervise it or even introduce new methods? I think so.
they will only send off an appropriate swimmer to the appropriate doctor if they have all the attributes. No use sending a donkey off to the doctor to qualify for the olympics. Risk outweighs this reward. There is simply a small catchment of swimmers in the UK, probably one tenth the size of the catchment of Australia, and one 30th of America. It IS not WORTH it.sniper said:fair and interesting point.
i didn't know about this.
still, many (including wiggins himself, i think) see kerrison as the mastermind behind wiggins' 2012 tdf.
(e.g here: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison)
would be interesting to know what kerrison's role consisted of if it wasn't about juicing up wiggins.
blackcat said:...
My point is, for the potential 0.0001% from the aero coefficient by changing their order, they are now susceptible and sacrificing their optimum strategy in their order. And they can't perfectly model the aero coefficient when there could be another 4 100 metres in front and there is a lead rider swinging off with his unique technique singing up the bank every half or whole, or 1.5 lap.
blackcat said:Heck, even a custom frame in Reynolds Columbus or Dedaccai tubing on the ideal geometry would be an improvement over the stock Specialized carbon models out of a Tapei tech engineering workshop.
del1962 said:I here a lot about a certain team started the arms race in doping, despite respected journalist David Walsh saying there is no organised doping on that team, anyway for those who hang their hat on that team started the arms race (apparently again), could they tell me when the arms race stopped.
great pointDirtyWorks said:It is bunkum, but you are missing the point. They are researchers who DO research and got a budget for it.
Doping and living like monks is really responsible for most success. But, not much funding for that conclusion!
i am not knocking the frames in taiwan or mainland china.Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese product is good work. Especially the stuff that is CEN tested/certified. As Giant has proven again and again, as long as it mostly fits, the rest can be fixed with seat posts and stems.
Moose McKnuckles said:Team Sky are a complete fraud, but other teams are catching up.
the sceptic said:looks like the arms race will be entering the full genius phase this year. Hopefully saxo can join in on the fun as well.