When is it considered doping?

[Anonymous]

I presently am prescribed Ritalin for ADHD (which is classed as an amphetamine). Would most believe that I had an unfair advantage even if I were not to consume on the day of a race? I do take it during the work week for aid in concentration (thus it is in my system during training). Is this still considered an unfair advantage? I am concerned as I would never want to cheat anyone that works hard for their own results.

Any info would be appreciated.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

If they test for it in your sport, and you don't have a TUE (and perhaps even if you do), you're cheating.

 

[Izzy eviel]

If I was a fellow competitor and it's a genuine medical problem then I personally wouldn't mind. If it gave you a noticeable/big advantage then perhaps I wouldn't be too happy about it.

Not sure what the legal aspect would be. Surely you'd need a prescription/Medical checkup/Official approval before you race?

 

[MacRoadie]

What do you know about skiing? Really?

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I presently participate in the Canadian Para-Nordic cross-country skiing program. Why do you ask?

I presently am prescribed Ritalin for ADHD (which is classed as an amphetamine). Would most believe that I had an unfair advantage even if I were not to consume on the day of a race? I do take it during the work week for aid in concentration (thus it is in my system during training). Is this still considered an unfair advantage? I am concerned as I would never want to cheat anyone that works hard for their own results.

Any info would be appreciated.

So, you allegedly participate at the elite level of para-nordic skiing, under the auspices of Cross Country Canada and the Canadian Olympic Committee, and you have no idea about anti-doping controls?

 

[Race Radio]

Ritalin is banned but you can get a TUE for it. If you do get a TUE you would likely be only able to use it out of competition.

 

[JibberJim]

I presently am prescribed Ritalin for ADHD (which is classed as an amphetamine). Would most believe that I had an unfair advantage even if I were not to consume on the day of a race?

According to http://www.globaldro.com it appears that Ritalin is only banned in competition, and it appears likely that you'd get a TUE anyway, as a non full time professional sport I don't know how TUE's are handled in your sport, for amateur cyclists in the UK TUE's only need to be obtained after your tested - ie if the testers appear at your chipper race, and you get tested, then you have to apply for the TUE within the next few days, you don't need to go requesting it all the time as that would just be a waste for anyone getting dropped in the first 5 minutes of a 4th cat race.

So, if you don't use it in races and given you'll likely get a TUE anyway if you did, you're fine and well within the rules as long as the prescription is legit.

 

[PikaCyclist]

I've wondered this, too.

Many athletes get exemptions because of existing physical limitations (probably the most common is being allowed to use asthma-controlling substances). Given his cancer history, Lance Armstrong probably had medical exceptions for all sorts of otherwise illegal drugs - a topic which seems to be ignored. He probably had a prescription for the artificial testosterone that tripped up Floyd Landis, and with good reason.

I think it would count as doping if use of the substance caused one to have better-than-normal results, rather than just bringing one up to the level of the general population.

That having been said, I think the people in charge of any given sporting event have a right to determine what they're going to allow, and what they aren't. The athletes can decide for themselves whether to participate under those rules, or not, and if they break those rules, they should be disqualified. I think the teams should be punished as well, because right now it's in the team's interest to have the athlete dope and perform better than they would otherwise - and currently the team has no real risk other than the loss of that particular rider.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

According to http://www.globaldro.com it appears that Ritalin is only banned in competition, and it appears likely that you'd get a TUE anyway, as a non full time professional sport I don't know how TUE's are handled in your sport, for amateur cyclists in the UK TUE's only need to be obtained after your tested - ie if the testers appear at your chipper race, and you get tested, then you have to apply for the TUE within the next few days, you don't need to go requesting it all the time as that would just be a waste for anyone getting dropped in the first 5 minutes of a 4th cat race.

So, if you don't use it in races and given you'll likely get a TUE anyway if you did, you're fine and well within the rules as long as the prescription is legit.

WTF? I don't what happens on the islands, but if you don't have a TUE going into testing - you're fooked! Unless you're Lance, ofcourse. Then you can have one couriered to Hein (or PatMc), or pull one out of your sock when it's most convenient...

 

[brianf7]

Taking your prescribed medication for illness or dissability is doping unless the idiots from WADA give you a TUE for it .

WADA know better than your Doctor what meds you need. so they say although they have never seen you.
That is the way they work they place them selves above the laws

 

[workingclasshero]

WTF? I don't what happens on the islands, but if you don't have a TUE going into testing - you're fooked!

same in norway as in britain, there's a line for how good you have to be to need to get a tue up front, can't remember if it is to be at a top national level or you need to represent norway in a competition.

having weekend warriors get tue's for all sorts when they're never ever going to be tested anyway is not very practical

 

[brianf7]

Ritalin is banned but you can get a TUE for it. If you do get a TUE you would likely be only able to use it out of competition.

So is testosterone but you can get a TUE for that also not easy but you can get one if you prove you need it like Hypogonardisum

Testing is any sport at local level is not on because of the cost if an event promoter wants to have testing he has to pay for it either from profits or sponsors but in a National event or above it is mandatory and the organiser and Government pay.
No point in doping to improve performance in club level if all you get is promotion to a higher grade and harder racing.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

So is testosterone but you can get a TUE for that also not easy but you can get one if you prove you need it like Hypogonardisum

My nuts are HUGE, can I get a TUE? Oh, I thought you meant HYPERgoardism. Sorry...

 

[hfer07]

When is it considered doping?
when you get caught

 

[Anonymous]

So, you allegedly participate at the elite level of para-nordic skiing, under the auspices of Cross Country Canada and the Canadian Olympic Committee, and you have no idea about anti-doping controls?

I never claimed to participate at the elite level. I wish I were that talented! I will also be competing in cycling for the first time next spring.

 

[TERMINATOR]

I presently am prescribed Ritalin for ADHD (which is classed as an amphetamine). Would most believe that I had an unfair advantage even if I were not to consume on the day of a race? I do take it during the work week for aid in concentration (thus it is in my system during training). Is this still considered an unfair advantage? I am concerned as I would never want to cheat anyone that works hard for their own results.

Any info would be appreciated.

Justin Gatlin was suspended for precisely what you are taking. And yes, you are cheating because from the sound of it you appear to be completely unaware of the doping rules and why what you are doing is totally inappropriate.

Also, it doesn't matter what "most think" about your use of Ritalin...it only matters what the rules of the sport are, and you do not have a TUE for Ritalin so you cannot take it. If you don't know what a TUE is, then you are quite clueless.

 

[Anonymous]

It is actually 'Para-Nordic cross-country skiing'.

I compete in the B2 Class which is for those athletes with up to approximately 3-5% functional vision.

Although I have not been subject to those kind of remarks since grade school, I will write off your insult as mere ignorance.

I can take the knocks, but I am hoping that you might attempt to be more compassionate and accepting toward others in the future.

 

[Rupert]

Asthma

I've wondered this, too.

Many athletes get exemptions because of existing physical limitations (probably the most common is being allowed to use asthma-controlling substances).

I think this is legit and necessary but lends itself to abuse. I've heard that you can get a good boost from some asthma meds and that the pro peloton has a highly disproportionate number of asthmatics based on the number of TUEs. No facts or numbers to back that up, but it seems plausible.

 

[Anonymous]

Justin Gatlin was suspended for precisely what you are taking. And yes, you are cheating because from the sound of it you appear to be completely unaware of the doping rules and why what you are doing is totally inappropriate.

Also, it doesn't matter what "most think" about your use of Ritalin...it only matters what the rules of the sport are, and you do not have a TUE for Ritalin so you cannot take it. If you don't know what a TUE is, then you are quite clueless.

Educating myself out of concern for the rules of sport and others would be the appropriate view with respect to my approach, as I will be competing in XC skiing for the first time this coming winter.

 

[Anonymous]

According to http://www.globaldro.com it appears that Ritalin is only banned in competition, and it appears likely that you'd get a TUE anyway, as a non full time professional sport I don't know how TUE's are handled in your sport, for amateur cyclists in the UK TUE's only need to be obtained after your tested - ie if the testers appear at your chipper race, and you get tested, then you have to apply for the TUE within the next few days, you don't need to go requesting it all the time as that would just be a waste for anyone getting dropped in the first 5 minutes of a 4th cat race.

So, if you don't use it in races and given you'll likely get a TUE anyway if you did, you're fine and well within the rules as long as the prescription is legit.

Thanks for that! Appreciated.

 

[Rupert]

Para athlete

It is actually termed Para-Nordic cross-country skiing.
I compete in the B2 Class which is for those athletes with up to approximately 3-5% functional vision.

I trained with a national team para-cyclist (visually imparied). I called myself the "3rd string training pilot," always available to ride but not willing to trust my skills with his safety in races. You guys have my total respect.

 

[Anonymous]

I trained with a national team para-cyclist (visually imparied). I called myself the "3rd string training pilot," always available to ride but not willing to trust my skills with his safety in races. You guys have my total respect.

Finally ... somebody that is not cynical or rude in this forum. Thanks Rupert!

 

[JibberJim]

So is testosterone but you can get a TUE for that also not easy but you can get one if you prove you need it like Hypogonardisum

I checked the policy of various national DA's and they all suggested that Ritalin was a drug that was suitable for a TUE process, and it would often be granted for ADHD. Which is why I said it seemed likely he'd get one.

I think I'd really struggle to get everyone who competes in our winter hill climb for a bit of fun, finishing minutes down on a 4 minute event to fill out TUE's for their 1 club event a year, and I would rather the Anti Doping agencies were spending money catching people than shuffling bits of paper around.

 

[L'arriviste]

When is it considered doping?
when you get caught

Absolute zeitgeist. Sadly this has become a sort of maxim for our times.

People will one day ask for this to be engraved on their headstones. Probably.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

It is actually 'Para-Nordic cross-country skiing'.

I compete in the B2 Class which is for those athletes with up to approximately 3-5% functional vision.

Although I have not been subject to those kind of remarks since grade school, I will write off your insult as mere ignorance.

I can take the knocks, but I am hoping that you might attempt to be more compassionate and accepting toward others in the future.

Hey, buddy, easy. Just crackin some jokes. Nothing personal intended. I don't know you from Adam...

Anyhow, if you're looking for some info, here's a link pertaining to your sport. You better read it before you throw yourself to the dogs again.

This is a tough group...

http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/medical/fisanti-doping/

 

[Juicy McDrip]

When is it considered doping?
when you get caught

Agreed!

It's not doping when you:

pinch your tummy and insert that skinny little hgh needle,

take those metallic, edgy anabolic drop(s) under the tongue

Use the pre-pakaged testo-needles until patch is OK

refresh the red.