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When Lance goes down, what changes?

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this_is_edie said:
Even if Armstrong goes down, I don't believe anything will change unless the UCI also collapses. I don't think Armstrong will name any big names, they'll scapegoat some lowly soigneur and/or mechanic to take the fall (well remunerated of course) and will keep their mouths shut. Bruyneel will move on to another team with all his contacts, UCI will continue their corrupt ways and in one year or two, when the media has moved on to the next juicy story, the doping will continue.

Amstrong showed the way, he showed that extreme doping, extreme control and enforcement of omerta along with a pr-driven charitable side works. Someone will follow the model, there's always someone willing to sell the soul.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, though I don't see how the collapse of the UCI would change anything either.

No matter how much or how little testing there will be, it will always be possible to stay ahead of it, and reason to keep quiet about it (omerta).

I don't see how anything can change that.
 

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this_is_edie said:
Even if Armstrong goes down, I don't believe anything will change unless the UCI also collapses. I don't think Armstrong will name any big names, they'll scapegoat some lowly soigneur and/or mechanic to take the fall (well remunerated of course) and will keep their mouths shut. Bruyneel will move on to another team with all his contacts, UCI will continue their corrupt ways and in one year or two, when the media has moved on to the next juicy story, the doping will continue.

Amstrong showed the way, he showed that extreme doping, extreme control and enforcement of omerta along with a pr-driven charitable side works. Someone will follow the model, there's always someone willing to sell the soul.

agree with first paragraph. Where do you get your info for the second paragraph. Are you part of the cycling/PED loop personally?
 
flicker said:
agree with first paragraph. Where do you get your info for the second paragraph. Are you part of the cycling/PED loop personally?
Yeah, I'm with flicker on this point. I think one aspect of the Armstrong legend that is true is that he got much more focused and detailed about preparation after the cancer, and that applied to his doping regimen just like it applied to everything else. But I don't think he showed the way because of how rampant PED use was already. But I suppose he paved the way with respect to showing how much more effective PED use could be when done with great attention to detail.