Who will win the 2013 GIRO? (Second round)

[Ferminal]

Gesink would have to ride every MTF at his Allevard level to challenge Wiggins.

 

[Eshnar]

Those people that voted for Rodriguez can vote again

just wait 'til the next poll...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Gesink would have to ride every MTF at his Allevard level to challenge Wiggins.

I dunno, Gesink's Allevard level wasn't all that impressive, IMO, or he would have easily gapped Van Den Broeck, who didn't seem to really bother.

Wiggins seemed kind of weak, though. If he climbs like that he might as well not show up.

 

[theyoungest]

No, VDB didn't really bother. Other than the fact that he was trying to get on the podium in the Dauphiné...

That's VDB's climbing level. Wiggo, in his Tour 2012 form, is better than what he showed that day.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

No, VDB didn't really bother. Other than the fact that he was trying to get on the podium in the Dauphiné...

That's VDB's climbing level. Wiggo, in his Tour 2012 form, is better than what he showed that day.

I meant that it seemed like he didn't really care if he finished 2nd or 3rd in that stage. Gesink, meanwhile, went pretty much all out to finish second. Not sure what that was all about.

 

[theyoungest]

I know what you mean (you generally diminish everything poor Robert does... interesting phenomenon) but of course VDB went all out. He needed seconds on Vino, to get the biggest result of his career: a podium in the Dauphiné.

 

[Pentacycle]

I dunno, Gesink's Allevard level wasn't all that impressive, IMO, or he would have easily gapped Van Den Broeck, who didn't seem to really bother.

Wiggins seemed kind of weak, though. If he climbs like that he might as well not show up.

Allevard is still the last time we saw him tackle a real climb full power(despite not feeling that good) and it's still better than his previous Dauphine showings in terms of climbing. His hilly ITT in 2011 there wasn't very good either, I'd say he's got a chance of riding a good GC if he destroys the TT and then hangs on in the mountains. And Wiggins has improved of course since 2011, like every 30 year old does. He, Hesjedal and Nibali are probably on the podium.

Does anyone know the shark's or Hesjedal's schedule before the Giro? If they are they going to meet Wiggins(probably Tirreno), it will be a good preview of the Giro.

 

[theyoungest]

Shark will do Tirreno, and the Ardennes classics (why God, why?)

Hesj will do... no idea what Hesj will do. If it's anything like last year, we won't be able to gauge his form until halfway through the Giro.

 

[Pentacycle]

Shark will do Tirreno, and the Ardennes classics (why God, why?)

Hesj will do... no idea what Hesj will do. If it's anything like last year, we won't be able to gauge his form until halfway through the Giro.

Hesjedal idd had his up and downs in his Giro prep last year. His Fleche attack was very strong, and he was in the main group of chasers in LBL. But then he suddenly lost 15 minutes in the last stage of Romandie and a DNS in the final TT. It's very hard to guage him, I thought at that moment that his form was already getting worse, or that he was ill.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I know what you mean (you generally diminish everything poor Robert does... interesting phenomenon) but of course VDB went all out. He needed seconds on Vino, to get the biggest result of his career: a podium in the Dauphiné.

I'd "diminish" any of the big guns' rides but Rodriguez and Vino's. I mean, Evans was abysmal. Wiggins only decent. That's okay being that it's a prep race, but still, it was pretty embarrassing if you ask me.

Anyhow, VDB needed more than "seconds" on Vino. All he did was secure his 4th spot on GC, and take some extra time, IMO. He didn't even sprint until the finish line. Compare his sprints on MTFs in the Tour de France. That's going all out.

Allevard is still the last time we saw him tackle a real climb full power(despite not feeling that good) and it's still better than his previous Dauphine showings in terms of climbing.

I think he was much stronger in 2009, despite going for GC back then. VAM is misleading on short-ish, steep-ish climbs like Allevard.

 

[Pentacycle]

I think he was much stronger in 2009, despite going for GC back then. VAM is misleading on short-ish, steep-ish climbs like Allevard.

You can hardly call Collet d'Allevard a short climb, it's over 11 kms. And the way Hagen sprinted up the first few kms indicated it was full gas from the bottom.
In 2009 Gesink could hardly finish ahead of the other Tour riders(Evans, Contador and Valverde were looking at each other more then) and he lost almost 2 minutes on the Ventoux to post-Giro Szmyd, instead of the 30 seconds he lost to Rodriguez(who's a much better climber than Szmyd ofc) in post-Giro shape.

Of course the VAM of the Ventoux is an entirely different story, but I don't know these numbers for both races. Do you have a link please?

 

[jens_attacks]

allevard 2011 was one of the fastest ascents of last 7 years. misleading though for one's potential because everyone went really fast, seemed like a kind of engine test

 

[Pentacycle]

allevard 2011 was one of the fastest ascents of last 7 years. misleading though for one's potential because everyone went really fast, seemed like a kind of engine test

But how fast did they go? Could someone post a link of those please, it could clear things up a bit for me as well...

 

[jens_attacks]

around 6,6-6,7 w/kg for purito for 32 minutes. but the rest went fast too

 

[staubsauger]

An Italian sponsor?

Saeco ?

 

[Eshnar]

So Sanchez is confirmed for the Giro (well it was already almost sure but you never know). Nice.
Now, are there any big guns who are yet to decide? Btw, did Gilbert already rule out to race the Giro? It would be awesome to see him against Canc

 

[Stibolino]

Maybe a little bit off the issue: When it will be announced which wild card teams will take part at this years giro?

 

[Eshnar]

Maybe a little bit off the issue: When it will be announced which wild card teams will take part at this years giro?

to be decided yet. Until the Katusha affair is cleared.

 

[Gloin22]

Maybe a little bit off the issue: When it will be announced which wild card teams will take part at this years giro?

Those teams applied :

José Been ‏@TourDeJose
Following teams applied for 3 Giro Wildcards: Europcar, Novo-Nordisk, Vini Fantini, Netapp, Bardiani, MTNQhubeka, IAM & Caja Rural, Colombia

Bardiani, Vini Fatini and one of Europcar, Netapp, IAM or Colombia to get it.

 

[Eshnar]

Bardiani, Vini Fatini and one of Europcar, Netapp, IAM or Colombia to get it.

no way
one between Bardiani or Vini Fantini (probably the latter)
Katusha
One between Netapp, Iam or (if we're very lucky) Colombia.
(Europcar? I don't really think so)

 

[Gloin22]

no way
one between Bardiani or Vini Fantini (probably the latter)
Katusha
One between Netapp, Iam or (if we're very lucky) Colombia.
(Europcar? I don't really think so)

Katusha ? Depends you see, they don't have to be invited at all. Purito said if Katusha aren't WT he will leave. Without Purito Katusha squad isn't that great, at least at Giro it wouldn't imo. As Moreno would likely try for Vuelta rather than Giro. Katusha are not guaranteed any place at all, that's why Purito is leaving if they aren't reinstated as WT ( unlikely )

Italian teams will always have priority. Simple as that.

Europcar a maybe, depends who would they send there. If one of Rolland/ Voeckler than they should invite them. Doubtful though obv.

 

[jens_attacks]

italian teams won't have any priority lol. not with acquarone there and his mental globally dreams

he already stated that one secured wildcard for italian teams(the winner of italian championship) is already a big compromise for their worldwide expansion
basically he already let us to know that he will not invite italian teams. in my opinion only farnese has a slim chance

knowing their new politics,i predict the wildcards will be:
katusha(but they might go full *** and invite novo nordisk why not)
colombia
mtnwhateva

 

[Eshnar]

Italian teams will always have priority. Simple as that.

like last year?

Acquarone doesn't give a f*ck of the Italian teams. He'll invite one of them, otherwise he would risk his life , but that's enough.
It's true that KAT without Purito isn't good enough, but that's not the reasoning behind Acquarone Katusha means Russia. Just like last year Netapp was invited because it meant Germany.

 

[staubsauger]

I thought that Aquarone asked the Africans to take part at the giro, but they didn't wan to do so?

Anyway, I go for
Vini Fantini
Bardiani
Colombia

as I see Katjoesja getting a wildcard at the Tour instead of Colombia then and Purito will stay.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So Sanchez is confirmed for the Giro (well it was already almost sure but you never know). Nice.
Now, are there any big guns who are yet to decide? Btw, did Gilbert already rule out to race the Giro? It would be awesome to see him against Canc

Good confirmation. Without J-Rod, Scarponi and Sanchez moves a step closer to the top spot. Awaiting next poll installment.