Who's made the most out of limited talent?

[Parera]

Contador.

Protected by UCI. Not more talented than Beloki

 

[rata de sentina]

It would have to be Phil Liggett. It's hard to believe that someone so clueless can be so pervasive purely on the basis of enthusiasm. Obviously he hitched himself to the right wagon.

 

[BroDeal]

It would have to be Phil Liggett. It's hard to believe that someone so clueless can be so pervasive purely on the basis of enthusiasm. Obviously he hitched himself to the right wagon.

I LOLed.............

 

[thehog]

Yes! 1990 WC Road Race: Back when they put a real climb on the circuit. Another good group of nominees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7AWYKwsvHk

One thing for sure is LeMond looks great on a bike. Supreme talent. Best American rider in history.

 

[thehog]

That's the problem with massive dopeheads like Armstrong. You never know how good they were minus the gear. Heck I'm not sure Armstrong would know seeing his been on a program of some sorts since he was 16.

hilarious.he was one of the most talented athletes ever.

http://sock-doc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/LanceArmstrongTriathlete.jpg


When I was 16,1 was invited to undergo testing at a place in Dallas called the Cooper Clinic, aprestigious research lab and birthplace of the aerobic exercise revolution. A doctor theremeasured my VO2 max, which is a gauge of how much oxygen you can take in and use,and he says that my numbers are still the highest they've ever come across.



until cancer he was like riccardo ricco,an aszhole than the life changed him.
you really have to be completely blind by hate to say armstrong wasn't talented.

 

[The Plediadian]

Not enough to win a Tour, not even remotely close.

So much in sport is mental toughness, focus and tactics. Big words and hard for some to understand and appreciate.

 

[skidmark]

Roger Walkowiak

 

[BroDeal]

So much in sport is mental toughness, focus and tactics. Big words and hard for some to understand and appreciate.

Mental toughness doesn't give you 60 Watts. Dr. Ferrari does.

 

[The Plediadian]

Of Course Contador is no Armstrong.
He races to win during the whole year and has won all 3 Gts including a Giro-Vuelta Double! He also doesn't rely on super domestiques to pace him up the mountains.

Why oh why do people cap on Armstrongs' team for doing a great job. Do people hat Merckx because he had dutiful domestiques pulling him around races?

 

[mastersracer]

That's the problem with massive dopeheads like Armstrong. You never know how good they were minus the gear. Heck I'm not sure Armstrong would know seeing his been on a program of some sorts since he was 16.

Well, a clean Armstrong at 15 certainly put Mark Allen under some pressure; I remember Allen training at the San Diego track putting in world class pursuit lap times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFkAhs4vAsk

 

[Race Radio]

Why oh why do people cap on Armstrongs' team for doing a great job.

......Really?

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

I'm thinking of a guy who is not a household name. A guy who, with his limited talent, managed to make a good career of it while suffering a lot. Kind of an all rounder at the domestique level, but not a great climber for sure. Still, pretty tough mentally I think. Frankie Andreu. I liked him.

 

[The Plediadian]

......Really?

So, you don't think that USPS and the early Team Discovery were awesome, well I do!
Heras, Landis, Tyler, Vaughters Boonen, Merckx,A. Hincapie, Ekimov, Devolder, Vaughters, Frankie baby,etc.
Your next comment, they were all dopers, Ferrari, Bruyneel, Duct tape holding bags on a broken down bus, well go ahead, make my day.
Still an awesome team, and I bet a lot cleaner than some of their contemporaries. (Telekom, Fasso Bartalo, Kelme, Polti, Mapei, Libertine Seguros, etc., etc..)

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

So much in sport is mental toughness, focus and tactics. Big words and hard for some to understand and appreciate.

your faith is something else.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

So, you don't think that USPS and the early Team Discovery were awesome, well I do!
Heras, Landis, Tyler, Vaughters Boonen, Merckx,A. Hincapie, Ekimov, Devolder, Vaughters, Frankie baby,etc.
Your next comment, they were all dopers, Ferrari, Bruyneel, Duct tape holding bags on a broken down bus, well go ahead, make my day.
Still an awesome team, and I bet a lot cleaner than some of their contemporaries. (Telekom, Fasso Bartalo, Kelme, Polti, Mapei, Libertine Seguros, etc., etc..)

haha...libertine got a team?

 

[sniper]

Jay Z......

 

[Benotti69]

Jay Z......

i see your JayZ raise you JayK

 

[Bavarianrider]

Fothen. LOL. There is a rider who fell off the map once Gerlosteiner broke up and the bio passport started, and he should have been entering his peak years.

Yep that's really crazing what happened to him. Perfect example for a bum that was only boosted by drugs.

The sad thing is, that he was pointing to caught riders all the time and was a real loudmouth. He was slamming everyone else while he himself was one of the biggerst juicers.
I can remmber how he whined around that he feels personally insulted and betrayed by Ullrich and so on.
What a ****er

 

[laziali]

Gabriele Colombo winning MSR riding for Gewiss

Current riders - that little Horner tw@t. Seriously, you could chop one of his legs off and not reduce his natural talent.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Yep that's really crazing what happened to him. Perfect example for a bum that was only boosted by drugs.

The sad thing is, that he was pointing to caught riders all the time and was a real loudmouth. He was slamming everyone else while he himself was one of the biggerst juicers.
I can remmber how he whined around that he feels personally insulted and betrayed by Ullrich and so on.
What a ****er

You can't blame that guy.
The only thing existing in his head is a vacuum. If you consider a vacuum as "something".

Anyway, I would like to see them all riding clean, or all doped with the same juice (not really).
So far, it's mostly just speculation. We will never know.

They had to put them all into quarantine for 6 months, shield them totally, and then do the races. After the race, immediately put into busses and back into quarantine camp again till the next race.

 

[Walkman]

Because this isn't the freaking 90s anymore. He got caught for a minimum level of clenbuterol. That's called micro-dosing.

So he couldn't be a "kick-***" responder to micro-dosed doping while the other guys, say Schelck, is a terrible responder but in reality much more talanted? Or is that impossible? (Please answer)

Furthermore, he got caught, so we know he is doped while the other guys still have the benefit of the doubt. And you really think he was micro-dosing when ha and Ras ripped the field apart in 2007 and smashed LA:s record upp Plateau de Beille?

 

[greenedge]

why do people say voeckler is talented, when he's just allowed by the peleton to "look" talented.
hanging in there when he shouldnt isnt talent, its "making the most out of not having any"

What about when he beat Scarponi earlier this year. Or P-N or the Dauphinie ( setting up Kern ). Sure he was lucky to have a break in the TDF but he still did well.

 

[ChrisE]

I think Dave Stoller had very average talent and yet the Cinzano team had to cheat to beat him with the frame pump in the spoke trick. I was impressed with the ride he did in the little 500. I do not think he ever got busted AAF and I have never heard of any rumors, which makes his achievements even that much more remarkable.

 

[The Hitch]

. And you really think he was micro-dosing when ha and Ras ripped the field apart in 2007 and smashed LA:s record upp Plateau de Beille?

Yes he was heavily juiced on Plateau de Beille in 2007.

How does that relate to the argument El Pistolero was involved in? What response is that to his point?


The discussion isnt "has Contador ever heavily juiced" its "has Contador shown talent" and to this discussion it wouldnt really matter if Contador stole the entire pelotons drug supply and shoved it up his veins in 2007.

Because if you can establish that he wasnt doping as much in 2009 or 2010 or 2011, then it shows that he does have talent.

Which is the point Pistolero was making.

Furthermore, he got caught, so we know he is doped while the other guys still have the benefit of the doubt

lol why would you give one the benefit of the doubt and not the other.

If its possible that someone training with Ferrari isnt doping or someone paying Fuentes isnt doping or that someone who wins the Tour de France isnt doping then it is possible that Berties food was contaminated

I mean if you are prepared to make that huge leap of faith to say that its actually possible that a guy like Andy Schleck or Cadel Evans is totaly clean, how can you not be willing to make the far smaller leap of faith and admit that there is also a small possibility that Contador's food was contaminated???

(please answer).

 

[Bordercollie1]

OK, I think I have a good one.

Laurant Jalabert went from average sprinter in 1994 to an all action star in 1995 on a lot of hard work and the hard work of spanish doctors.
Every year from 1995 he managed to pick up a semi classic, a French and Spanish stage race, a jersey and a stage in a Grand Tour. Occasionally throwing in a surprise like the Time Trial world championship.

He came dangerously close to a Tour win in 1995 (yellow jersey on the road) but the amazing thing about his career is that he had so few near misses. I remember him loosing to bartoli in Liege but other than that, if he was in contention, he got the win.

Probably the smartest career extending move was pulling ONCE out of the 1998 tour and letting Festina and the french teams take the heat. By the time Sainz and Fuentes were stung, Jalabert was long gone.

Just when you thought we had seen the last of JAJA he resurfaced to take the Climbers jersey at the TDF for Riis's CSC.

A long career packed with wins, titles and jerseys. No tearful confessions, no 'mistakes in the last year of his career' and we never learnt the name of his dog.