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jackhammer111 said:Lance never raced against Indurain or Lemond.
A little blast from the past... 1994 TDF, DNF.

1995...36th

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jackhammer111 said:Lance never raced against Indurain or Lemond.
jackhammer111 said:[sarcasm on] of course this doesn't prove that he might have the talent go on to win multiple tours. [sarcasm off]
Parrot23 said:[irony on]
Freire (3 time winner), also Boonen, Bettini too, and Musseuw, and even the great Cipo himself = great potential for the GC in GTs
[irony off].
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Is brought to light it shows who your dealing with.Lance never raced against Indurain or Lemond.
BigBoat said:A little blast from the past... 1994 TDF, DNF.
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BigBoat said:A little blast from the past... 1994 TDF, DNF.
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jackhammer111 said:Lance never raced against Indurain or Lemond.
HGH/ IGF-1 gut.RightWingNutJob said:Damn, Lance looks fat in the pic with Greg.
RightWingNutJob said:Damn, Lance looks fat in the pic with Greg.
You are still ignoring the impact of efficiency. There is evidence that efficiency and VO2 Max in professional cyclists is inversely related. IOW riders with a lower VO2 Max often make up for that by being naturally more efficient.BigBoat said:Power at threshold per kilo wins Grand Tours and road races no doubt, but V02 max is the ceiling for threshold.Once everybody knows how to pedal, and they have been training properly for some time...V02 max is pretty much it. Not saying somebody with a 90 Vo2 max couldnt be beat by a dude with an 88. But Somebody with an 81 V02 max will have no chance in hell at the pro level against somebody with a 92, unless the 92 man was a *** and had no team.
Gross efficiency of riders is typically in the range of ~ 19-24%. By that I mean power to the cranks as a ratio of the body's total energy conversion / unit time.nobody said:But could we find world athletes in endurance sport with a 22% thermal efficiency?
I would believe they are all closer of the best thermal efficiency!
Alex Simmons/RST said:You are still ignoring the impact of efficiency. There is evidence that efficiency and VO2 Max in professional cyclists is inversely related. IOW riders with a lower VO2 Max often make up for that by being naturally more efficient.
That's unfortunate. Logical fallacies don't help to support one's argument.SpeedWay said:he ignores many things.
Alex Simmons/RST said:You are still ignoring the impact of efficiency. There is evidence that efficiency and VO2 Max in professional cyclists is inversely related. IOW riders with a lower VO2 Max often make up for that by being naturally more efficient.
Which one is notorious, he is cited in many, many papers?BroDeal said:I hope these studies did not include the notorious Coyle study...
hfer07 said:let's see..
Lemond- with the highest Vo2 max(92) was trashed by Indurain (88) under his reign, but then in 96 Indurain was beaten by Riis (mister 60%) & a couple years later LA just demolished everybody with a mere 83.5 Vo2 max
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Alex Simmons/RST said:Which one is notorious, he is cited in many, many papers?
But here is an example, not by Coyle:
Lucia, A., J. Hoyos, M. Perez, A. Santalla, and J.L. Chicharro.
Inverse relationship between VO2max and economy/efficiency in world-class cyclists. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 34(12):2079-84, December 2002.
Conclusion: A high CE/GE seems to compensate for a relatively low VO2max in professional cyclists.
Ah, OK, well here's a new one by Dave Martin et al which I posted in another thread at Bike Radar:BroDeal said:The Coyle study I was referring to is obviously the one that involves Armstrong's supposed magical efficiency transformation.
Is there anything available on the web? I find this stuff pretty fascinating. I would like to look at experiement methodology since some of what you said seems counterintuitive.
Non sequitur.BigBoat said:Lances unjacked efficiency has been calculated at 23.7%. Pretty Norm...+-22-26% for Lance's category.
Having great efficieny will give you a few % over average..But not much. I think I'm very close about Lances un-jacked FTP of about 350-370 watts. Its about 20 watts less than watts humanly possible at that weight of his (160 lb) but its still pretty damn good...Try to hold 370 for an hour. LOL, you gotta be jacked to beat that.![]()
Juan Pelota said:Ferrari wrote an article on V02 max..pretty much ripped it to shreds..
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In cycling the measuring of VO2max has about the same meaning as in running: it is useful and indicative of the potentiality of the athlete, but once again its correlation with competitive results is not so tight.
Lance Armstrong for instance was measured a VO2max of 82 ml/kg/min, which is an excellent value, but common to many other professional athletes that obtained far inferior results in their careers.
Kennf1 said:Not exactly "ripping it to shreds," since that's pretty much what every exercise physiologist in the world thinks too.