Why Simon Yates Suffer Badly?

[toolittle]

Not sick. Not crash. Why his level drops so much?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

 

[RedheadDane]

"Yales"?

 

[EroicaStradeBianche]

Re: Why Simon Yales Suffer Badly?

Why Pinot suffers so badly

 

[Pantani_lives]

He went to the wrong college. He should have gone to Princeton's instead of Yale's.

But seriously: he said he didn't recover after the time trial, has been suffering and trying to bluff since then. He probably spent too much energy in the first two weeks. He just needs rest. There's no clear explanation except fatigue.

 

[Vino's Mum]

Re: Why Simon Yales Suffer Badly?

Not sick. Not crash. Why his level drops so much?

Ask Chavito.

 

[SlickMongoose]

It was an extremely tough Giro, lots of riders suffered, and Yates gave everything in the first two weeks.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

I think he would've faded anyway, but in hindsight he probably went way too deep in that TT. He might've been better off being a bit more conservative and living to fight another day. He'll learn from that though, most riders can't be Contador/Quintana/Schleck by 25.

 

[toolittle]

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Evans out of top 10 and lost about 10 mintues.
But both Simon Yates and Pinot lose over half hour.

2 Strong climbers, GC hot contenders both finished behind Elia Viviani. They are not sick, crashed.
Similar thing seems to be never happened during last 2 decades.
Now 2 cases happened within 2 days.

 

[wirral]

I am not an elite athlete but I do do endurance events. I know that you can quite suddenly hit a point where you have to drastically reduce your speed.

Just yesterday, I was doing a 3 hour event. I knew the other participants and knew I would come in fifth. I was pleased therefore to be in fourth when suddenly near the end, I passed one of the guys who always beats me every time. He muttered "cramps" as I passed him. At the end he looked quite bad. He came in about 5 minutes after me. How did he lose so much time!

Maybe these pro athletes are just a little bit human like the rest of us.

 

[rick james]

do we think if he never went so deep in the TT he might have had something left for the mountains?

 

[Sartorius]

Re: Re:

Evans out of top 10 and lost about 10 mintues.
But both Simon Yates and Pinot lose over half hour.

2 Strong climbers, GC hot contenders both finished behind Elia Viviani. They are not sick, crashed.
Similar thing seems to be never happened during last 2 decades.
Now 2 cases happened within 2 days.

Maybe we are finaly watching clean sport with routes made for cyclists with a "little help"...

Is there any other sport which is so demanding on a human body?

 

[cellardoor]

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do we think if he never went so deep in the TT he might have had something left for the mountains?

He was probably due a slight dip in the 3rd week anyway, but I suspect the 3 stage combo of going deep trying to follow Froome on Zoncolan, then the longish attack on Sunday's stage and finally going too deep in the TT caused the implosion.

 

[fantomas]

Re: Re:

do we think if he never went so deep in the TT he might have had something left for the mountains?

He was probably due a slight dip in the 3rd week anyway, but I suspect the 3 stage combo of going deep trying to follow Froome on Zoncolan, then the longish attack on Sunday's stage and finally going too deep in the TT caused the implosion.

So basically his level hasn't changed much. He can hope for a top 3 in a GC, but more likely will have to settle with top 10, maybe top 5. Which is still great. Through 2.5 weeks a lot of us were unsure whether he had developed into a GC contender - the bookies were, quite mysteriously, still duped after stage 18.

 

[Lequack]

They should have secretly replaced him with Adam, no one would know.

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

Evans out of top 10 and lost about 10 mintues.
But both Simon Yates and Pinot lose over half hour.

2 Strong climbers, GC hot contenders both finished behind Elia Viviani. They are not sick, crashed.
Similar thing seems to be never happened during last 2 decades.
Now 2 cases happened within 2 days.

Pinot has a lung infection, as for Simon Yates, he suffers from a lack of talent. Why did he win 3 stages then, you might ask... Well, that's for the clinic to decide.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Omg this is just what i wanted to post... Yates very much like Evans in that Giro

 

[Moviefan1203]

He spent a lot of energy the first two weeks...

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Lance Armstrong probably had this one right. He just went all out for every second he could get on TD and it ended up costing him. He' is just not experienced enough a rider to know what impact this was going to have on him in the last week. He'll learn from it and probably be a GT winner down the road.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin also said that compared to last year it was much easier being the chasing one rather than leading, said being in pink costs a lot of extra energy because of all the obligations and everyone wants to attack you. Yates attacked every opportunity on top of that and basically emptied himself. He had to do thag to have any chance of winning but at a great cost. I don't think anyone can ride like that for 3 weeks...

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

Evans out of top 10 and lost about 10 mintues.
But both Simon Yates and Pinot lose over half hour.

2 Strong climbers, GC hot contenders both finished behind Elia Viviani. They are not sick, crashed.
Similar thing seems to be never happened during last 2 decades.
Now 2 cases happened within 2 days.

Evans cracked inside the last 10 kms and lost 17 minutes, if you crack with 50 or 80 kms to go it's gruppetto.

 

[loge1884]

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Lance Armstrong probably had this one right. He just went all out for every second he could get on TD and it ended up costing him. He' is just not experienced enough a rider to know what impact this was going to have on him in the last week. He'll learn from it and probably be a GT winner down the road.

Yeah, although I am not sure, Lance is the one I want to listen to .....
honestly, these cracks and drops are a good thing, of course not particularly for the ones who suffer them, but for cycling as a sport ... remember those "Lance-days" when nobody ever cracked (except Erik Breukink ...) ...

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

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Lance Armstrong probably had this one right. He just went all out for every second he could get on TD and it ended up costing him. He' is just not experienced enough a rider to know what impact this was going to have on him in the last week. He'll learn from it and probably be a GT winner down the road.

Yeah, although I am not sure, Lance is the one I want to listen to .....
honestly, these cracks and drops are a good thing, of course not particularly for the ones who suffer them, but for cycling as a sport ... remember those "Lance-days" when nobody ever cracked (except Erik Breukink ...) ...

Lance's podcast is good and he has been right about a lot of things he talks about on it. Is he a turd? yes. But at some point i have to forgive and move on. He seems to be supporting the sport from the sidelines in a reasonable manor.

 

[toolittle]

Re: Re:

do we think if he never went so deep in the TT he might have had something left for the mountains?

He was probably due a slight dip in the 3rd week anyway, but I suspect the 3 stage combo of going deep trying to follow Froome on Zoncolan, then the longish attack on Sunday's stage and finally going too deep in the TT caused the implosion.

Some people said it is related to Froome's high cadence. I haven't watched most of the live broadcast on first 2 weeks. Someone said Froome had just sited and spin his pedal with low gear and high cadence durig first 2 weeks. But Yates stood and pedal hard for a lot of kms.

In the last 2 MTF stages, I saw Froome stood and pedal hard. Anyone has watched full first 2 weeks race?
It seems that Froome has spent some time to learn fast spinning. Is it a factor?

 

[Taxus4a]

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He went to the wrong college. He should have gone to Princeton's instead of Yale's.

But seriously: he said he didn't recover after the time trial, has been suffering and trying to bluff since then. He probably spent too much energy in the first two weeks. He just needs rest. There's no clear explanation except fatigue.

It is quite normal this kind of explosions at the end of the Giro...
I remember a day Kreuziger lost half an hour when he was in the top 5, or Cataldo said he felt on the podium, and one day he lost a lot... that is quite tipical. It is not the same 1000 than 2000 meters above the sea level, it is not the same a climb as Zoncolan than Finestre, longer..

It is not the same to be at a good level 2 weeks than 3. Yates has to demostrate he can hold 3 weeks at a good level