Why Tenerife?

[Dear Wiggo]

ie riders do not need to bring doping products into the country. The doping products are already there.

 

[Parker]

Between 6am & 10pm. They cannot test.

The athlete only has to be where they said they would be at 6am. The rest they can move around, go cycling, catch planes etc. They do not have to be stationary in one spot or one location.

So if you were in Tiede you can just nominate the hotel & then to cycling for 7 hours.

They can test them any time they can find them - for example the skiier Lindsay Vonn once got tested at a Fashion Awards show. As well as the one hour window, athletes are also have to supply their general movements. So when they are at the Tenerife camp, they will have to say the times they generally train.

 

[McLovin]

You're comparing the Swiss to the Spanish?!?

Brave man. Like night and day.

You're talking just not to shut up.
I spent this month 8 days in France, Chatel. Some 3 km from Swiss. I crossed the custom by car or bike, I think 8 times. Just three times there were there officers and just once they stopped us. Sometimes they weren't even there. Same on Grand Bernard pass. Nobody there.
How many times you walked into a plane and they said : it's ok, don't putt your bag to be scanned. ?
I'm not saying they are not doping, just that that's not the reason why they go there.

 

[thehog]

You're talking just not to shut up.
I spent this month 8 days in France, Chatel. Some 3 km from Swiss. I crossed the custom by car or bike, I think 8 times. Just three times there were there officers and just once they stopped us. Sometimes they weren't even there. Same on Grand Bernard pass. Nobody there.
How many times you walked into a plane and they said : it's ok, don't putt your bag to be scanned. ?
I'm not saying they are not doping, just that that's not the reason why they go there.

Good for you. I've moved between Spain and other European countries with a "wave through", not even a check of the passport.

I don't disagree with you. Border guards should be avoided at all costs. Those transporting drugs really don't bother with regular routes. There is little point in travelling like a normal traveller if your objective is to ship pharmaceuticals "illegally".

And to that point. Shipping drugs is not actually illegal. EPO has a legitimate medical use. It gets shipped to hospitals all over the world. Other legitimate drugs are shipped to pharmacies.

Fuentes was shipping EPO to his practise in Zygona. Which was perfectly legal. And he could do so without illegal importation.

You see how easy it is?

 

[thehog]

They can test them any time they can find them - for example the skiier Lindsay Vonn once got tested at a Fashion Awards show. As well as the one hour window, athletes are also have to supply their general movements. So when they are at the Tenerife camp, they will have to say the times they generally train.

Correct. "If" they can find them...

 

[TheGame]

Good for you. I've moved between Spain and other European countries with a "wave through", not even a check of the passport.

Only country I've ever had my bags checked on entering is the UK.
And all over mainland Europe, France, Spain, the Lowlands, as well as the Canaries, I think I've only been asked for my passport once and that was leaving the Canaries for a flight to the UK. (Oh, and Holland heading for the UK. Seems the only time you get asked for a passport in Europe is if you are travelling to the UK)

 

[thehog]

Only country I've ever had my bags checked on entering is the UK.
And all over mainland Europe, France, Spain, the Lowlands, as well as the Canaries, I think I've only been asked for my passport once and that was leaving the Canaries for a flight to the UK. (Oh, and Holland heading for the UK. Seems the only time you get asked for a passport in Europe is if you are travelling to the UK)

Correct & with good reason considering the social benefit system in the UK and it's insatiable need and market for blow!

Besides, for a Doctor treating anaemic patients in Tenerife would be a simple matter of travelling there with the EPO and administering to those "patients". Tenerife is still Spain and under the same laws of customs. I doubt there'd even bother to check an EU and Spanish citizen on a Spanish Island. But a Doctor would have every right to carry such medicines.

 

[TheSpud]

Only country I've ever had my bags checked on entering is the UK.
And all over mainland Europe, France, Spain, the Lowlands, as well as the Canaries, I think I've only been asked for my passport once and that was leaving the Canaries for a flight to the UK. (Oh, and Holland heading for the UK. Seems the only time you get asked for a passport in Europe is if you are travelling to the UK)

That's because most of mainland Europe is covered by the Schengen agreement that allows you to travel freely without passport controls (I'm not sure about intra-EU flights though). The UK didn't sign up to it.

 

[McLovin]

I'm not sure about intra-EU flights though.

They scan the luggages.

 

[King Boonen]

Well you can go to wikipedia and divide the number of visitors by 365, make the testers wear a sthetoscope or call me names but it doesnt change the fact that on an island, the testers are gonna be spotted, and it will give the dopers enough time to deal with it.

It happened in Jamaica, and i am sure it happens in Tenerife.
On an island everybody is the cousin of my cousin!

Go to Tenerife and tell me if nobody spots you before you talk to Chris Froome!!!

No one is calling you names, post not poster.

You have not offered a single shred of evidence to show that testers are any more likely to be spotted in Tenerife than any other airport serving a well-known training venue. The huge numbers of passengers coming into Tenerife year round, because Tenerife is a holiday resort all year, would make it impossible fora team to "stake out" both airports and ports to try and spot them without large numbers of people, increased resources and the likelihood of them being spotted themselves. Any rider who was told and skipped out on an ADAMS determined location is likely to receive two failures as the tester would no doubt be staying on Tenerife and would return in the morning, causing another missed test. They could even wait until the evening and the ride would receive a third infraction. If you want to hide you do not go to Tenerife.

Your comment about getting close to Froome is hyperbole, I couldn't do that if I bumped into him on a training ride anywhere, but anti-doping could certainly get close enough to ask him to submit a sample without him being able to disappear into the distance. It comes up time and time again when discussing Tenerife and is nonsense. There are much better places to go if you want to hide from testers, many on mainland Europe, precisely because you are on an island on Tenerife and it makes you much easier to find during the day.

 

[Benotti69]

No one is calling you names, post not poster.

You have not offered a single shred of evidence to show that testers are any more likely to be spotted in Tenerife than any other airport serving a well-known training venue. The huge numbers of passengers coming into Tenerife year round, because Tenerife is a holiday resort all year, would make it impossible fora team to "stake out" both airports and ports to try and spot them without large numbers of people, increased resources and the likelihood of them being spotted themselves. Any rider who was told and skipped out on an ADAMS determined location is likely to receive two failures as the tester would no doubt be staying on Tenerife and would return in the morning, causing another missed test. They could even wait until the evening and the ride would receive a third infraction. If you want to hide you do not go to Tenerife.

Your comment about getting close to Froome is hyperbole, I couldn't do that if I bumped into him on a training ride anywhere, but anti-doping could certainly get close enough to ask him to submit a sample without him being able to disappear into the distance. It comes up time and time again when discussing Tenerife and is nonsense. There are much better places to go if you want to hide from testers, many on mainland Europe, precisely because you are on an island on Tenerife and it makes you much easier to find during the day.

You forget that Armstrong managed to avoid the OOC testers for years and even when one did catch him at home he managed to stall them for 20mins while he took a 'shower'.....

Why dont you contact UCI to ask why when so many riders train there, there are so few tests done there?

I dont think anyone has tested positive on Tenerife, have they?

The teams must have some early warning system in place........

 

[Frosty]

One of Pellizotti's dodgy bio-passport readings was taken on Tenerife.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6097/Decision-in-Pellizotti-passport-case-expected-today.aspx

 

[TheSpud]

I would have thought the main reason for going there is the temperate climate in a location pretty close to mainland Europe (which after all is where the majority of riders are from / teams are based).

About 1/3 of each GT is spent riding up high mountains in (generally) pretty warm conditions - what better way to train than by visiting a place that exhibits those conditions for most of winter?

 

[Cycle Chic]

I would have thought the main reason for going there is the temperate climate in a location pretty close to mainland Europe (which after all is where the majority of riders are from / teams are based).

About 1/3 of each GT is spent riding up high mountains in (generally) pretty warm conditions - what better way to train than by visiting a place that exhibits those conditions for most of winter?

I suggest you read the first 30 pages of the thread - its silly to be stating and asking questions like this.

You cant read the last page of a thread and then start asking questions which have been discussed and answered over many years.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I suggest you read the first 30 pages of the thread - its silly to be stating and asking questions like this.

You cant read the last page of a thread and then start asking questions which have been discussed and answered over many years.

So where should European based riders train to achieve best results?

 

[Cycle Chic]

So where should European based riders train to achieve best results?

not sure why you are asking me that one - it doesnt relate to the discussion...Tenerife is perfect for european riders...i dont dispute its benefits and have never stated that.

 

[TheSpud]

I suggest you read the first 30 pages of the thread - its silly to be stating and asking questions like this.

You cant read the last page of a thread and then start asking questions which have been discussed and answered over many years.

I have read those pages and its full of the same comments repeated a lot - that Tenerife is the place to go to cheat because its so difficult for testers to get to, oh and LA went there therefore anyone else who does must also be cheating. The place has about 3 million visitors a year and a flight from mainland Europe can be bought for less than €100 so clearly its not that difficult to get to.

And the 'question' I was asking was more rhetorical - i.e. why not go there? It would be more benefit as a simulation than riding up Alpe D'Huez in January for instance.

 

[TheSpud]

not sure why you are asking me that one - it doesnt relate to the discussion...Tenerife is perfect for european riders...i dont dispute its benefits and have never stated that.

So its ok for you to say that but not for me to?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

not sure why you are asking me that one - it doesnt relate to the discussion...Tenerife is perfect for european riders...i dont dispute its benefits and have never stated that.

Well you didn't appear to like TheSpud's suggestion that Tenerife might be a good place to train, so I thought it worth asking you for your views on Tenerife as a training location.

Perhaps the question I should ask is: "Is there anywhere a cyclist can train that would not arouse your suspicions from a purely doping perspective?"

 

[Cycle Chic]

Well you didn't appear to like TheSpud's suggestion that Tenerife might be a good place to train, so I thought it worth asking you for your views on Tenerife as a training location.

Perhaps the question I should ask is: "Is there anywhere a cyclist can train that would not arouse your suspicions from a purely doping perspective?"

I havent stated that Tenerife arouses suspicions due to its location. But its well known what goes on at 'location'....same reason Kenya arouses suspicions.

 

[ebandit]

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I havent stated that Tenerife arouses suspicions due to its location. But its well known what goes on at 'location'....same reason Kenya arouses suspicions.

you must know more than us............all I hear is hard work at a good location.................no-one participating talks about anything else

Mark L

 

[sittingbison]

Oakley Dokaley Gentle(wo)men,
This line of discussion has reached a nexus.... asked and answered as nauseum

Ebandit, I know you're not stupid so stop being disengenuous.

The Spud, I presume you're not stupid so do some research

Anyone presuming Tenerife is used as a training location ONLY without acknowledging its sordid history as a dopers paradise is trolling and baiting. Wonderboy, Ferrari, Vino, Dodger, Basso, Fuentes.... please, get real people

Move along
Bison

 

[ebandit]

objection

objection SB..............nothing disengenuous about my post a claim was made that member knew what goes on at tenerife so I asked them to share

if indeed it was known exactly what occurred at tenerife why would the thread be so long?

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

objection SB..............nothing disengenuous about my post a claim was made that member knew what goes on at tenerife so I asked them to share

if indeed it was known exactly what occurred at tenerife why would the thread be so long?

Mark L

It appears Pellizotti doped on Tenerife. How is that for evidence?

 

[sittingbison]

objection SB..............nothing disengenuous about my post a claim was made that member knew what goes on at tenerife so I asked them to share

if indeed it was known exactly what occurred at tenerife why would the thread be so long?

Mark L

You'd better google disengenuous ebandit.....

Cheers
Bison