stop the press...so the old adage that the cheaters are ahead of the testers is bunkum? or am i missing some heavy sarcasmBenotti69 said:It would be pretty easy for WADA to find out what the latest sophisticated programs are.
stop the press...so the old adage that the cheaters are ahead of the testers is bunkum? or am i missing some heavy sarcasmBenotti69 said:It would be pretty easy for WADA to find out what the latest sophisticated programs are.
gillan1969 said:stop the press...so the old adage that the cheaters are ahead of the testers is bunkum? or am i missing some heavy sarcasm![]()
My point has nothing to do with the USA. I was using it as example of major cities that that are just as distant from a testing lab as Tenerife. I could have said Rio de Janeiro or Shanghai or Mumbai or Perth or hundreds of other major cities. The point is that Tenerife isn't the remote inaccessable island that many characterize it as.sniper said:but probably there aren't as many flights leaving from Tenerife as there are from Miami or Dallas.
Anyway, where does your confidence in USA andtidoping come from? You seem to use it as a yardstick for successful antidoping testing.![]()
Benotti69 said:No sarcasm. Tenerife is an example. Few tested and big teams like Sky and Astana not tested.
Plenty of riders have told all about their doping.
There's ten a day to Tenerife Northdaveyt said:There are 13 flights a week from Madrid to Tenerife South
is that more or less than from Miami and Dallas?Parker said:There's ten a day to Tenerife North
More than Miami, less than Dallas. To a city with a testing centre - Montreal or LA for Miami (Montreal is closer, but more flights to LA), LA for Dallassniper said:is that more or less than from Miami and Dallas?
thanks, fair enough.Parker said:More than Miami, less than Dallas. To a city with a testing centre - Montreal or LA for Miami (Montreal is closer, but more flights to LA), LA for Dallas
DFA123 said:Tenerife is easily accessible for testers, but what is the point of them going there? They can find passport irregularities in the riders, but there is no way they can do anything with them. If, for example, they find that a rider who has been staying in the Parador at 2,000m for a couple of weeks has much higher than normal hct, they have no way of knowing whether that is down to altitude or doping. It provides the perfect cover. There are nowhere near enough studies and research into the long and short term effects of altitude training for the testers to really go after a rider.
+1Catwhoorg said:Take urine, look for recovery type products, HGH or EPO
Take steroid passport samples.
Just be seen to be testing there which may have a limiting effect of subsequent team visits.
If it becomes a place where regular testing occurs, and teams start going elsewhere, well maybe that answers a few questions.
if he'd do that more regularly and on a more structural basis, yes it would be a very good sign.ebandit said:Excellent
So you'd agree that Froome's call for more testing on Tenerife was because he knew he was about to be cheated by doper Nibali and doper Contador ...what other explanation could there be?
Mark L
Benotti69 said:Plenty of riders have told all about their doping.
sniper said:if he'd do that more regularly and on a more structural basis, yes it would be a very good sign.
if it is limited to that one tweet, i will be inclined to think it was nothing more than a slick PR move. (a welcome PR move though: I like how it embarrassed UCI.)
i think primary motive was PR and that embarrassing the UCI was collateral, calculated. (imo he knows UCI aint gonna bust him anyway)ebandit said:Keep going......follow through with that train of thought......why would he want to embarrass the UCI???
Mark L
sniper said:i think primary motive was PR and that embarrassing the UCI was collateral, calculated. (imo he knows UCI aint gonna bust him anyway)
what do you think?
is it evidence that he's clean?![]()
sniper said:i think primary motive was PR and that embarrassing the UCI was collateral, calculated. (imo he knows UCI aint gonna bust him anyway)
what do you think?
is it evidence that he's clean?![]()
Parker said:My point has nothing to do with the USA. I was using it as example of major cities that that are just as distant from a testing lab as Tenerife. I could have said Rio de Janeiro or Shanghai or Mumbai or Perth or hundreds of other major cities. The point is that Tenerife isn't the remote inaccessable island that many characterize it as.
ebandit said:If that is true you'll be ready to give us their names won't you
Mark L
Tyler Hamilton (2012): "I never did get tested on Tenerife, no. I can't imagine anyone got tested there."
Benotti69 said:Jesus Manzano
Jorge Jaschke
Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
Thomas Frei
Danilo Di Luca
Filipo Simeoni
Bernard Kohl
Michael Rasmussen
Most of USPS
to name a few.........
distance/remoteness/(in)accessability of Tenerife has been discussed quite openly throughout the thread (not just past coupla pages), but only as one of many possible reasons why the place is loved by cyclists.Arnout said:It's *** this argument that Tenerife is the most remote place on earth. As has been stated, you can fly to Tenerife from Madrid nearly every hour of the day in addition to many other destinations. It's one of the most popular tourist destinations, I bet every common tourist is the sort of backpacker that likes to go to places no-one ever went before. All 10 million of them, on an island where you can travel from North to South in an hour (and I have done this myself). Despite the small size and the small driving distance, there are two major airports with connections to Spain and Europe. It's also the premier year-round beach destination, meaning there isn't a drop in flights in winter. In fact winter is high season.
But it's remote and inaccessible because the clinic decided it is. It's because of these f***** irritating straw man arguments that the clinic will never be taken seriously and not because the clinic is the only place in cycling where doping is discussed as the regulars pat themselves on the back for.
Rant over.
sniper said:is that more or less than from Miami and Dallas?
Parker said:More than Miami, less than Dallas. To a city with a testing centre - Montreal or LA for Miami (Montreal is closer, but more flights to LA), LA for Dallas
see?sniper said:thanks, fair enough.
Arnout said:the clinic will never be taken seriously
sniper said:distance/remoteness/(in)accessability of Tenerife has been discussed quite openly throughout the thread (not just past coupla pages), but only as one of many possible reasons why the place is loved by cyclists.
and i don't recall anybody stubbornly insisting on the remoteness argument.
see?
Dear Wiggo said:lolololololololololololololololol
It will only be taken seriously when doping is taken seriously. Not because yet again a poster does not like what people post about or how.