Why?

[Zam_Olyas]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

 

[spalco]

Compared to mainstream opinion, the Clinic clearly is "extremist" or I would rather say "radical" to be more precise, which doesn't necessarily mean unreasonable, though, especially since actual historical facts have proven much of the mainstream wrong in the past on issues of doping.

 

[Miburo]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

Attack ad hominem cause they don't know what to bring against an argument, isn't it obvious?

 

[pmcg76]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

Because the loudest shouters in this place are all part of the clinic 12 group and they have more or less the same view. They think they are so smart but really the best posters in here are the likes of LS, hrotha, the Hitch, Le Breton and Dr.Mas (when you don't fall into one of his silly roundabout arguments) plus a few others.

The clinic 12 are all about lies, distortion and just randomly making things up to accuse people. They use the exact same distortion as what they accuse the riders of doing and whenever you call then out on it, they just get in a huff.

 

[blackcat]

it would be an interesting sociology study, to see how a firm like Public Strategies, seeds talking points into the media, and then these talking points are adopted by self-appointed deputies to defend their hero's innocence. For every intern at LiveStrong in Waco, whoops, i mean Austin, Texas, there are atleast their equivalent hitting up web fora with hollow threats to take legal action or suppress dialogue. those who were on Daily Peloton remember fondly bobkedeSubaru/hombre/bobke, Chris H, Whareagle, House, dBrower, Bill Hue, and others, who brought a very naive and neophyte pov to cycling and doping.

 

[blackcat]

Because the loudest shouters in this place are all part of the clinic 12 group and they have more or less the same view. They think they are so smart but really the best posters in here are the likes of LS, hrotha, the Hitch, Le Breton and Dr.Mas (when you don't fall into one of his silly roundabout arguments) plus a few others.

The clinic 12 are all about lies, distortion and just randomly making things up to accuse people. They use the exact same distortion as what they accuse the riders of doing and whenever you call then out on it, they just get in a huff.

you,

are

a, (singular)


***.

or, a knob.

adhominem is deserved

 

[blackcat]

i miss bigboat

 

[pmcg76]

you,

are

a, (singular)


***.

or, a knob.

adhominem is deserved

My point proven, thank you blackcat.

 

[blackcat]

My point proven, thank you blackcat.

i already have used this rhetorical device. how original.

 

[Benotti69]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

I think you will find those accusations came from Monkeymouth's fanboys and now regurgitated by Sky's fanboys.

 

[andy1234]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

Because some of the clinic regulars are extremist and don't have reasonable views?
Not all winners are doping, and not all posters have an anti pro cycling agenda.
Unfortunately there are a lot of doped winners, and a lot of extremist regulars, so it's sometimes hard to believe otherwise.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Because the loudest shouters in this place are all part of the clinic 12 group and they have more or less the same view. They think they are so smart but really the best posters in here are the likes of LS, hrotha, the Hitch, Le Breton and Dr.Mas (when you don't fall into one of his silly roundabout arguments) plus a few others.

The clinic 12 are all about lies, distortion and just randomly making things up to accuse people. They use the exact same distortion as what they accuse the riders of doing and whenever you call then out on it, they just get in a huff.

Very good post only that you did not include thyself.

 

[martinvickers]

Why do some posters/readers think that The Clinic regular posters are all the same and do not have reasonable views? And that we are all extremist.

can you point to someone who has said that of all clinic posters? thank you.

 

[martinvickers]

you,

are

a, (singular)


***.

or, a knob.

adhominem is deserved

This is pathetic.

Argue, disagree, whatever. but this ad hominem is just childish. Actually particularly childish of it's type.

And it's never 'deserved' - ridiculous statement. the whole point of ad hominem is it's irrlevance to the argument. And irrelevent attacks are never deserved. they are simply, irrelevent.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

can you point to someone who has said that of all clinic posters? thank you.

When they or you say the clinic will think this and that don't you mean all the regular posters?

 

[martinvickers]

When they or you say the clinic will think this and that don't you mean all the regular posters?

No, not particularly. In most walks of life to say that a 'group' says something is to say a majority of that group do. Not unanimity, unless explicitly stated. I've heard several references to all the Clinic 12. or 11, or whatever the number of non-apostates is this week, but to all posters, or all regular posters? No, but i'm sure that's my oversight, so I'd appreciate being enlightened.

Again, who has said all regular clinic posters, bar you? I'm sure you didn't start this thread, unrelated as it is to actual cycling, without explicit examples. So if you could point some out, that would be great. thanks.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

No, not particularly. In most walks of life to say that a 'group' says something is to say a majority of that group do. Not unanimity, unless explicitly stated.

Again, who has said all clinic posters. I'm sure you didn't start this thread, unlreated as it is to actual cycling, without explicit examples. So if you could point some out, that would be great. thanks.

I said all regular clinic posters. You win, i think you know exactly what i mean but you win.

 

[hrotha]

I'm not at all cool with the "Clinic 12" thing having been hijacked by the likes of the Hog. That one is meant to refer to the Clinic as a whole.

 

[martinvickers]

I said all regular clinic posters. You win, i think you know exactly what i mean but you win.

So in fact, you had no such evidence, and the entire irrelevant thread was simply started to allow you to whine that people might dare to disagree with a particular group of posters you identify with?

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[martinvickers]

I'm not at all cool with the "Clinic 12" thing having been hijacked by the likes of the Hog. That one is meant to refer to the Clinic as a whole.

Well, you might need to take that up with The Hog. I've had him on ignore for months so I can't help you there.

 

[hrotha]

So in fact, you had no such evidence, and the entire irrelevant thread was simply started to allow you to whine that people might dare to disagree with a particular group of posters you identify with?

Thanks for clearing that up.

No one who has been paying attention or who isn't trying to derail the thread needs specific examples, because it happens, like, every single day.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

So in fact, you had no such evidence, and the entire irrelevant thread was simply started to allow you to whine that people might dare to disagree with a particular group of posters you identify with?

Thanks for clearing that up.

I sense the clinic perspective is going out out of the window, even if it ever had any. No one says much about Nibali putting a whole minute into the rest of the field on a mountain time trial in the Giro, but 4 seconds today is enough to convict Froome? *shakes head*

This. You guys are laughable. Walsh is a hero when he brings down Lance after digging the dirt. This time he can't find the dirt, and he's a lot closer than any of us and yet because he doesn't come up with it suddenly he's a shill? Pathetic, you have nothing at all other than half baked theories and prejudices and absolutely no inside knowledge. This is a forum. Even Race Radio, who was highly respected at the time because of his closer insight into Armstrong, is mocked. Read his last post, it simply uses common sense.

No, i dont identify with them i think you identify with who i am talking about.

 

[blackcat]

I think you will find those accusations came from Monkeymouth's fanboys and now regurgitated by Sky's fanboys.

will all be worth it when the knighthoods are revoked by the doperz at British Cycling

 

[blackcat]

Well, you might need to take that up with The Hog. I've had him on ignore for months so I can't help you there.

its etymology resides with jonny vee, but it was co-opted by devotees.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Are those enough Martin?