Wiggins Discussion thread.

[Zam_Olyas]

He's already stated he made a mistake to go with the two earlier attacks and had nothing left for the final ascent. He *is* a punchy type of rider and will show himself to be next season.

Anyway, a short but steep climb here from Tour of Britain stage 6:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvXjmAWf53w&feature=relmfu

(start from 4mins in and continues in subsequent parts at side)

One thing, regarding TOB what stage was the queen stage? and apparently eyeVan basso was in the race

 

[Red Rick]

Wiggins said that its impossible to attack the sky train without doping. He also says the sport is clean now. Therefore, if Wiggins believes what he says Sky cannot lose next years tour unless they crash.

If that's what he literally said, why isn't he going to defend his Tour, cause how can he lose?

arrogant ***

 

[bobbins]

If that's what he literally said, why isn't he going to defend his Tour, cause how can he lose?

arrogant ***

I've heard that sort of bs from others involved in that team. The only way other riders win is by cheating but they are doing it clean. Bit tiresome but I guess the brainwashing works.

 

[The Hitch]

If that's what he literally said, why isn't he going to defend his Tour, cause how can he lose?

arrogant ***

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigg...more-human-now

“When we were riding on the front at 450 watts or whatever, someone would attack and Mick Rogers would say ‘just leave him, he can’t sustain it. Someone is going to have to sustain 500 watts over 20 minutes of a climb to stay away which is not possible anymore unless you’ve got a couple of extra litres of blood. That’s the reality of it. It really is.

 

[Afrank]

Lol, how exactly did he waste energy in that breakaway? He never went to the front. It was just the same as sitting in the peloton, lame excuse.

And Gilbert also reacted to an attack on the penultimate ascent of the Cauberg yet still won rather easily. If he was already tired of that he's never going to feature in an Ardennes race as both the Amstel Gold Race and LBL are much harder. What's he going to do? Not react on attacks at the Roche aux Faucons because it will make him tired? Lol. Good luck waiting for Saint-Nicholas.

He's magically going to improve over long distance races? How does that work? In 4 months time we're supposed to expect he'll all of a sudden be much better? How can you explain that without going to the clinic?

Even Cavendish is a punchy rider in small races(Ster ZLM Toer).

You can't compare a rider like Gilbert to JTL, Gilbert is at a completely different level. And just because he didn't contend for the win in the one big classic-like race he has ever done doesn't mean he will never be able to contend in the classics . For a rider that has never done a race like that before he did very well I thought.

And he can improve in long distance races by racing in them and training for them. You act like it is impossible for a racer to improve and get better at racing certain types of races.

 

[roundabout]

He's already stated he made a mistake to go with the two earlier attacks and had nothing left for the final ascent. He *is* a punchy type of rider and will show himself to be next season.

Anyway, a short but steep climb here from Tour of Britain stage 6:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvXjmAWf53w&feature=relmfu

(start from 4mins in and continues in subsequent parts at side)

Haut-Var is a better example.

Ok, he won't win Liege 15 times, but from what I have seen he is far from hopeless in the Ardennes.

 

[El Pistolero]

You can't compare a rider like Gilbert to JTL, Gilbert is at a completely different level. And just because he didn't contend for the win in the one big classic-like race he has ever done doesn't mean he will never be able to contend in the classics . For a rider that has never done a race like that before he did very well I thought.

And he can improve in long distance races by racing in them and training for them. You act like it is impossible for a racer to improve and get better at racing certain types of races.

I've never seen a 28 year old all of a sudden competing in the biggest one day races without any former history of decent results. Have you?

I thought he was an Ardennes type racer, why can't I compare him to Gilbert then?

 

[Parker]

I've never seen a 28 year old all of a sudden competing in the biggest one day races without any former history of decent results. Have you?

Cadel Evans? Maybe not the exact age, but late 20s certainly.

 

[The Hitch]

Oliver Zaugg.

Check and mate

 

[Afrank]

I've never seen a 28 year old all of a sudden competing in the biggest one day races without any former history of decent results. Have you?

I thought he was an Ardennes type racer, why can't I compare him to Gilbert then?

Because Gilbert is miles ahead of him in terms of everything, not being able to do what Gilbert did at worlds doesn't say anything about if Locke will be able to contend in the Ardennes in the future. Gilbert is the best Ardennes racer in the peloton, and JTL had never done a long race with a hard uphill finish in the pro ranks until the worlds road race.

I don't think he will right away be competing for the win at the Ardennes classics but I think he has the potential to be competitive in them in the future.

 

[El Pistolero]

Oliver Zaugg.

Check and mate

Lol, 11th at the Vuelta.

 

[Afrank]

Lol, 11th at the Vuelta.

Lol, 1st at Giro di Lombardia.

 

[The Hitch]

Tax cheat?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nce-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[Forunculo]

Tax cheat?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nce-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

clinic?

Some british can enlight us about the potential punishment?

 

[Gloin22]

Considering it's Daily Mail... it's likely a sham article as usual there.

2nd of all, what about those who live in Monaco and avoid taxes there ? Gilbert, Vino and the likes is that much different if true ( wchich I doubt tbh ) ? No other paper reported this in Britain at all.

 

[webvan]

Froome lives there too...I read the article, it makes no sense, obivously the guy who wrote had no idea how the scheme works. As for tax optimization, well it looks bad but if it's legal you can't blame anyone, a bit like the stockings and hyperbaric tents, etc...

 

[El Pistolero]

Considering it's Daily Mail... it's likely a sham article as usual there.

2nd of all, what about those who live in Monaco and avoid taxes there ? Gilbert, Vino and the likes is that much different if true ( wchich I doubt tbh ) ? No other paper reported this in Britain at all.

They actually live in Monaco.

It's not like Rebellin who said he lived in Monaco, but actually lived in Italy.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I hope he doesn't ride il Giro.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Considering it's Daily Mail... it's likely a sham article as usual there.

2nd of all, what about those who live in Monaco and avoid taxes there ? Gilbert, Vino and the likes is that much different if true ( wchich I doubt tbh ) ? No other paper reported this in Britain at all.

how are they avoiding taxes when they actually live in monaco? they life there so pay whatever taxes there

 

[Boeing]

So wiggo is going to sign Brainsfords declaration? hmmmm in interesting

 

[del1962]

So wiggo is going to sign Brainsfords declaration? hmmmm in interesting

Why wouldn't he, if you think he shouldn't go to the clinic

 

[Gloin22]

how are they avoiding taxes when they actually live in monaco? they life there so pay whatever taxes there

Ummm... you know Monaco is a tax haven ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

Most of them, as many more sportstars move there just specifically for this.

 

[El Pistolero]

Ummm... you know Monaco is a tax haven ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

Most of them, as many more sportstars move there just specifically for this.

Unlike those other sports however, there are other benefits for moving to Monaco like a lot of good training places(Southern France, Northern Italy) and good weather during the winter.

Anyway, you're not breaking any law for living in Monaco. It's not tax evasion as long as you really live there. If Wiggo wants to pay less taxes he should move to Monaco as well. If he wants to live in Britain he should pay the full taxes there. Just like Boonen did.

 

[Gloin22]

Unlike those other sports however, there are other benefits for moving to Monaco like a lot of good training places(Southern France, Northern Italy) and good weather during the winter.

Anyway, you're not breaking any law for living in Monaco. It's not tax evasion as long as you really live there. If Wiggo wants to pay less taxes he should move to Monaco as well. If he wants to live in Britain he should pay the full taxes there. Just like Boonen did.

Oh yeah agreed, just stating a fact that for many Monaco is just that a tax haven.

However as I thought, it's was a really shammy article. No-other news site or paper reported, so yeah.... I'll leave it that

 

[williamp78]

The article also said he paid over a million pound in taxes last year. If he's avoiding paying tax then he isn't doing a very good job!