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Will Radio Shack be back in 2011?

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I'd rather "America", as in the wider public, would keep its nose out of the Tdf in the near and far future, i.e forever more. Does that make me a bad person? (not that I care, just inquiring)



As for the team, I voted they'd be back under a different name. Lots of stuff happening soon with bad consequences for certain sponsors by association. It would be nice to see some riders able to do things for themselves, and see what they can do exactly.
 
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nia O'Malley said:
I'd rather "America", as in the wider public, would keep its nose out of the Tdf in the near and far future, i.e forever more. Does that make me a bad person? (not that I care, just inquiring)

No, just unrealistic
 
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nia O'Malley said:
You really think the fair weather fan will keep watching if there are no american riders at the top? I'm not talking the cycling fan, obviously.

What do you think we've been doing for the last 5 years? We didn't disappear and then emerge last year. There likely wont be any Americans in any jersey next year, we'll still be here watching and reading the drivel of comments about people who join July 2011.

Edit - Nevermind, we did have Americans in the top all but one year. Even if one of them was removed after in 06, Floyd was huge while that train lasted and gave America something to root for for 3 weeks.
 
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kurtinsc said:
Wouldn't they qualify automatically with thier placement in the world rankings? I can't see them falling out of the top 15.

I'm pretty sure they can choose to invite, or not invite who they want, that's what happened to Astana in 07, they were 10th in 06 even without being in the TdF.
 
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nia O'Malley said:
You really think the fair weather fan will keep watching if there are no american riders at the top? I'm not talking the cycling fan, obviously.

Many I saw this year started watching to see Lance... but watched through the end to see the Contador/Schleck battle.

Most were cheering against Contador.


I'm willing to bet that next year a percentage of them will come back... some with unrealistic hopes for Leipheimer. Some just hoping to see the guy they view as a "bad guy" lose (Contador). And some will simply have fallen for the sport.
 
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outrage9 said:
I'm pretty sure they can choose to invite, or not invite who they want, that's what happened to Astana in 07, they were 10th in 06 even without being in the TdF.

I thought ASO agreed to let in the top 16 or 17 teams regardless... similar to how they HAD to invite Footon this year due to a prior agreement with the (then) pro-tour teams.

The point thing for invitation is new for this upcoming year. The tour that just finished required them to invite 17 teams due to a previous agreement with the Pro Tour teams (back when Footon was Sanier Duval).
 
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Many I saw this year started watching to see Lance... but watched through the end to see the Contador/Schleck battle.

Most were cheering against Contador.


I'm willing to bet that next year a percentage of them will come back... some with unrealistic hopes for Leipheimer. Some just hoping to see the guy they view as a "bad guy" lose (Contador). And some will simply have fallen for the sport.

I think you have that about right.
 
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I thought ASO agreed to let in the top 16 or 17 teams regardless... similar to how they HAD to invite Footon this year due to a prior agreement with the (then) pro-tour teams.

The point thing for invitation is new for this upcoming year. The tour that just finished required them to invite 17 teams due to a previous agreement with the Pro Tour teams (back when Footon was Sanier Duval).

No, they don't have to invite anyone they don't want to invite. They have defied the Pro Tour before, and they will do it again next year by not inviting The Slack. By next year, the extent of The Hogs involvement with doping will be much more clear, and if the team survives that, they will be denied entry.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
No, they don't have to invite anyone they don't want to invite. They have defied the Pro Tour before, and they will do it again next year by not inviting The Slack. By next year, the extent of The Hogs involvement with doping will be much more clear, and if the team survives that, they will be denied entry.

Again though... isn't that the point of "wildcard" status? I thought certain teams qualified automatically... then ASO used wildcards to choose the remaining teams.

I would think that barring something that leads to the team disbanding, RS would qualify for "automatic" selection. Or does ASO have an "out" for automatic selections if there is a doping contreversy?
 
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kurtinsc said:
Again though... isn't that the point of "wildcard" status? I thought certain teams qualified automatically... then ASO used wildcards to choose the remaining teams.

No, thats so they can get French teams in since they couldn't otherwise. Same with the other GTs
 
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outrage9 said:
No, thats so they can get French teams in since they couldn't otherwise. Same with the other GTs

which is no bad thing if you are trying to keep your GT alive and making money, a lot would come from the home country and it gives a chance to new pros on smaller teams:)
 
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No, thats so they can get French teams in since they couldn't otherwise. Same with the other GTs

You seem to be addressing what they look for in wildcards. I'm talking about what their perogatives are for the "automatic" selections next year.

Next year... if things hold to form they'll have to use a lot more of their wildcards on french teams. AG2R, Cofidis, BBOX and FDJ are all outside the top 17 right now. Not a single french team would qualify for automatic selection.

But the question is... what rights does the ASO have to kick out an "automatic" team? How binding is their agreement to invite the top 17 in the rankings?
 
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Benotti69 said:
which is no bad thing if you are trying to keep your GT alive and making money, a lot would come from the home country and it gives a chance to new pros on smaller teams:)

Didn't say it was bad, just a fact. If there were no wild cards no one would no about these guys.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
No, they don't have to invite anyone they don't want to invite. They have defied the Pro Tour before, and they will do it again next year by not inviting The Slack. By next year, the extent of The Hogs involvement with doping will be much more clear, and if the team survives that, they will be denied entry.

Any chance they don't get invited next year because of their defiance of the kit rule, compounded by Bruyneel's rude crack about the Commissaires' brains or lack thereof?
 
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Desperate Moments said:
Any chance they don't get invited next year because of their defiance of the kit rule, compounded by Bruyneel's rude crack about the Commissaires' brains or lack thereof?

Doubtful, there have been lots of holdups for Jersey changes in the past, the last I recall is where Lance protested by not wanting to wear it after DZ crashed in the TTT and he didn't want to win it that way and they stopped the race and made him put it on, slightly different situation though. But they have allowed the whole team to wear special jerseys in the past on the last day that were different from the previous 3 weeks so I'm not certain of the inconsistencies.