Without OP And Retirements, Who Wins The 2007 Tour De France?

[Altitude]

Landis= doped up performance
Tactical stupidity on behalf of the other teams to give him so much free time before organizing a real chase.

As for Andy, same thing, not a real chase behind him. And the peloton was already destroyed by then.

I think about Landis pretty much the same way as I think of Rasmussen. No Tour winners

Let's get this clear: Rasmussen was the better climber of the 2, but there was only a slight difference. Contador was the better tt specialist.

Seriously? What was he on that everyone else wasn't?

Just beacuse there's not an immediate reaction doesn't mean it was a gift. The more likely explanantion is their rivals saw what they were doing and thought "I don't want ny part of that, let's just hope he cracks".

Rasmussen, Landis, Schleck - those are the best rides we've seen in modern TdF history. They took a risk, as so few cyclists do now days, and they succeeded. So hats off to them.

 

[El Pistolero]

Seriously? What was he on that everyone else wasn't?

Just beacuse there's not an immediate reaction doesn't mean it was a gift. The more likely explanantion is their rivals saw what they were doing and thought "I don't want ny part of that, let's just hope he cracks".

Rasmussen, Landis, Schleck - those are the best rides we've seen in modern TdF history. They took a risk, as so few cyclists do now days, and they succeeded. So hats off to them.

Ah, now you show your true colors. You just don't like Contador.

Because you know, Contador took risks as well this year at the Tour by riding the Giro first. And did you watch the Alpe stage?

That solves this whole discussion, bye.

But to answer your question about Landis: testosterone.

Ps: it was a gift

 

[Altitude]

Ah, now you show your true colors. You just don't like Contador.

Because you know, Contador took risks as well this year at the Tour by riding the Giro first. And did you watch the Alpe stage?

That solves this whole discussion, bye.

But to answer your question about Landis: testosterone.

Ps: it was a gift

Yeah, because testosterone was so cutting edge in 2006.

I can appreciate Contador's season, and his ride to Alpe d'huez (although the fact that he didn't win the stage obviously bumps it down a notch from the 3 I mentioned). You don't like to give anyone except Contador any credit. That's your problem.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, because testosterone was so cutting edge in 2006.

I can appreciate Contador's season, and his ride to Alpe d'huez (although the fact that he didn't win the stage obviously bumps it down a notch from the 3 I mentioned). You don't like to give anyone except Contador any credit. That's your problem.

Why would I?

Andy's ride was great, but all his other rides in the Tour were not. Never mind the rest of his season. This guy is a disgrace and you call him the greatest of the Tour. And what's the point in calling it taking a risk if you're not allowed to "fail"? He still climbed better that day than the guy you call the greatest of modern Tour history.

Pretty obvious Landis was taking more risks when it came to doping then the others. Hence his positive.

 

[Altitude]

Why would I?

Andy's ride was great, but all his other rides in the Tour were not. Never mind the rest of his season. This guy is a disgrace and you call him the greatest of the Tour. And what's the point in calling it taking a risk if you're not allowed to "fail"? He still climbed better that day than the guy you call the greatest of modern Tour history.

Pretty obvious Landis was taking more risks when it came to doping then the others. Hence his positive.

I dislike Schleck just as much as the next guy. For most of the Tour he rode like a clod. But his ride to Galibier was one of the best in modern tour history, and it was not a gift.

 

[Escarabajo]

Ah, now you show your true colors. You just don't like Contador.

Because you know, Contador took risks as well this year at the Tour by riding the Giro first. And did you watch the Alpe stage?

That solves this whole discussion, bye.

But to answer your question about Landis: testosterone.

Ps: it was a gift

So testosterone did all that?

 

[El Pistolero]

So testosterone did all that?

That and the stuff that didn't show up in the tests plus his natural talent.

It's what turns non-contenders in contenders.

 

[Walkman]

That and the stuff that didn't show up in the tests plus his natural talent.

It's what turns non-contenders in contenders.

Just out of curiosity, are you saying Landis was a non-contender(?) and how would you describe AC? Contender or non-contender?

 

[El Pistolero]

Just out of curiosity, are you saying Landis was a non-contender(?) and how would you describe AC? Contender or non-contender?

Yes, before 2006 Landis was a gifted rider, but definitely not a contender(and he was doping as well then). I find it weird when someone over his thirties all of a sudden wins the Tour before any prior record.

Contador won the Tour at young age. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he did it clean, but he definitely has more natural talent than Landis and imo is a contender.

If Landis was 3-4 years younger when he won the Tour it could perhaps be a little bit more believable... Though to be fair to him, a lot of people didn't get to start because of Operacion Puerto.

 

[The Hitch]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he did it clean, but he definitely has more natural talent than Landis and imo is a contender.

Then going by your strong principles from the Valverde thread

He did break the rules,

So he should be banned no?

Also, this is definately a keeper

Does this guy ever think of what wrongs he has done to people riding clean? Dirt bag.

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Does that apply to Contador?

 

[El Pistolero]

Then going by your strong principles from the Valverde thread




So he should be banned no?

Also, this is definately a keeper



Does that apply to Contador?

If Contador is found guilty he should be banned yes. To be honest, I wouldn't even care if he got banned, he'd be back in no time and like I said, anyone deserves a second chance.

 

[gregrowlerson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5thkVSPc_k
If Basso had this form...

Thanks for the link. Very impressive the way that he destroyed Simoni. Was this the first major mountain stage of that Giro? It was showing an 8 second lead over Gilberto, but I gather that was GC as he looked to be further than that in front at the end of the clip.

Was that stage a MTF?

I never watched that Giro actually, but would like to get in on DVD.