Without OP And Retirements, Who Wins The 2007 Tour De France?

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I think Armstrong. I think Contador could beat him in the mountains maybe, but he wasnt as good a tter back then, so Armstrong would take it.

Last Tour he could win though.

Why not 2008?

 

[Ferminal]

Why not 2008?

Alberto Velasco.

 

[airstream]

Basso exerted a very serious pressure on LA in 2005. I don't mean a natural closeness of contention by time certainly, just in the mountains. He lost to Armstrong 1'50 in the last TT, but he had done the Giro before that and wasn't such a strong time-trialist like in 2006. Armstrong was weakening in all components, including TT, otherwise he couldn't have retired then. Though in my opinion, it would be more entertaining to assume who could win Tour'06 without OP and LA's retirement.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Alberto Velasco.

His 2008 season wasn't his most impressive, IMO.

 

[Ferminal]

His 2008 season wasn't his most impressive, IMO.

Agreed... 07/09 were performance wise more revealing, but if it was done on a clean slate. They are both a year older than 2007, which obviously favours AC. Fewer TT kms. Of course in this future history where Armstrong continues after 2005, it's actually hard to imagine him ever losing, given how clinical he was for 7 years.

 

[nobilis]

Alberto Velasco.

Contador's cousin from his mother side? Didn't know he raced too

 

[just some guy]

Agreed... 07/09 were performance wise more revealing, but if it was done on a clean slate. They are both a year older than 2007, which obviously favours AC. Fewer TT kms. Of course in this future history where Armstrong continues after 2005, it's actually hard to imagine him ever losing, given how clinical he was for 7 years.

Nice turn of phrase

 

[airstream]

I think Contador'09 is the strongest GT perfomance over the last 10 years and we will never see something like that or will see not soon.

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't get why riders who actually did the 2007 tour anddidn't win it, are included in that list. (cadel, levi, etc) What would have changed if convicted and retired riders had participated?

+1.

Beat me to it. To think Cadel would have done better is wishful thinking.

I put Basso. As somebody already pointed out, I doubt that Ullrich would have found the motivation to win it.

 

[Altitude]

How can you possibly vote Contador? Rasmussen kicked his a$$

 

[El Pistolero]

How can you possibly vote Contador? Rasmussen kicked his a$$

He only gained time on him in one mountain stage(35 seconds). All the rest was time he got in a breakaway.

He lost time to Contador in all time trials(more then 35 seconds and would've also lost time in the final time trial). I know people don't want to hear this, but Contador was better than Rasmussen in 2007.

 

[Altitude]

He only gained time on him in one mountain stage. All the rest was time he got in a breakaway.

He lost time to Contador in all time trials. I know people don't want to hear this, but Contador was better than Rasmussen in 2007.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[El Pistolero]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

I see you can't come up with a better argument because you know it's true.

Go ahead and look up the results. He gained real time on Contador in one stage and one stage only and lost time in all time trials.

In fact, Contador also had a flat tire in the breakaway stage Rasmussen won, so he lost even more time than normal. Seeing as this is a thread of what ifs. Here's another: What if Rasmussen was never allowed in a breakaway? There goes 3 minutes and 51 seconds of his advantage on Contador

What was the time deficit of Rasmussen on Contador before he got pulled out? 3 minutes and 10 seconds you say? No way!

 

[roundabout]

He attacked with over 80km to go and won that stage by 3 minutes.

Seems kinda strong to me.

 

[El Pistolero]

He attacked with over 80km to go and won that stage by 3 minutes.

Seems kinda strong to me.

Strong, yes. But still free time as they marked him down way too late. To suggest none of the favorites could follow him is absurd.

 

[Altitude]

I see you can't come up with a better argument because you know it's true.

Go ahead and look up the results. He gained real time on Contador in one stage and one stage only and lost time in all time trials.

In fact, Contador also had a flat tire in the breakaway stage Rasmussen won, so he lost even more time than normal. Seeing as this is a thread of what ifs. Here's another: What if Rasmussen was never allowed in a breakaway? There goes 3 minutes and 51 seconds of his advantage on Contador

What was the time deficit of Rasmussen on Contador before he got pulled out? 3 minutes and 10 seconds you say? No way!

LMAO - "what if"

Rasmussen missed the early break. He did all the work himself on that stage - better than any performance your hero ever produced.

Alberto Contador's 2007 "win" = greatest farce in TdF history

 

[LaFlorecita]

How can you possibly vote Contador? Rasmussen kicked his a$$

Blablablah. I vote for Alberto whenever I want and I don't care what you think of it.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Well if the race is re-run you have to assume that everything that did happen wouldn't necessarily happen again. e.g. Contador may not have had mechanicals to Tignes, Vino may not have crashed and gone positive etc.

Vinos positive was an conspiracy, they changed out his blood with someone elses

 

[Angliru]

I think Contador'09 is the strongest GT perfomance over the last 10 years and we will never see something like that or will see not soon.

You hope, for Andy's sake.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

LMAO - "what if"

Rasmussen missed the early break. He did all the work himself on that stage - better than any performance your hero ever produced.

Alberto Contador's 2007 "win" = greatest farce in TdF history

really? where have you been over the last 2 years?

 

[Angliru]

He attacked with over 80km to go and won that stage by 3 minutes.

Seems kinda strong to me.

He was strong but the entire peloton was operating under the idea that, as in previous Tours, Rassmussen was simply chasing KoM points and even if he was trying to contend, with his history versus the clock, they knew how much rope to give him. His TT performance was completely unexpected and was the game changer.

 

[Angliru]

LMAO - "what if"

Rasmussen missed the early break. He did all the work himself on that stage - better than any performance your hero ever produced.

Alberto Contador's 2007 "win" = greatest farce in TdF history

As usual your overtly biased observation is lacking in historical context. How can Contador be the "greatest farce in TdF history" when that title belongs to the teammate he defeated in 2009 whose entire run of Tour victories are a huge sore on the sport that will fester for decades?

 

[c&cfan]

you guys can say what you want, maybe contador was able to win it.. but what i really think is that LA could've won more 3 tours.

2006? LA
2007?LA
2008?no contador there? so LA.

 

[Zoncolan]

you guys can say what you want, maybe contador was able to win it.. but what i really think is that LA could've won more 3 tours.

2006? LA
2007?LA
2008?no contador there? so LA.

I doubt it would've been three. 2006 probably, everything after that - Basso.
ET was truly becoming that-out of this world. Riding people off his wheel and winning TTs.

 

[El Pistolero]

LMAO - "what if"

Rasmussen missed the early break. He did all the work himself on that stage - better than any performance your hero ever produced.

Alberto Contador's 2007 "win" = greatest farce in TdF history

So Mauricio Soler is now better than Contador as well?

It was time from a breakaway whether you like it or not. He'd have never gapped Contador in a one on one duel(and not including his flat tire that cost him a lot of time.)