World Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, September 21

[QueenStagiaire]

Where on the cobbled climb did Evenepoel catch Pogacar? Pogacar lost 31s to Vine starting on the cobbled climb but and Evenepoel only gained 7s on Pog from the catch onwards

On the steep part

 

[Red Rick]

On the steep part

That's what I thought.

Everyone was around 3kph slower on the 4th sector than on the 1st sector, with the exception of Vine, who was 0.3 kph slower on the 4th sector than on the 1st sector.

And even within sector 4 he probably paced it negatively

 

[Red Rick]

Arensman said he was happy with 9th place, saying he was completely winging it with no specific preperation, and acclimatization was very important here.

 

[Danskebjerge]

wasn't lame at all.

Pog admitted he went to early. He said he made a mistake. A flat out choke

Then Remco choked by not riding his bike. When he finally did, he made up 40 seconds on Pog on the climb to start the final lap, but by then it was too late. He couldn't quite close the gap, and allowed Pog to hang on for victory

That's a retrospective analysis. What we saw was Pogacar leading for the last two hours of the race. Nobody got close. It was just as lame as the women's World Championship in Harrogate that marked a lowpoint in women's cycling.

 

[Netserk]

Arensman said he was happy with 9th place, saying he was completely winging it with no specific preperation, and acclimatization was very important here.

Imagine how well Armirail could have done here without Tour-Vuelta in his legs, where he was clearly tired at the end of the Vuelta.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm not going to California.

That's a shame, great place to be.

 

[Brullnux]

2025: 54 km/h, 1% difference
2024: 52.6 km/h, 0.7% difference

This was 48.9 km/h.

Has still never beaten Remco outside of mountain(ous) time trials.

 

[houtdffan]

That's a retrospective analysis. What we saw was Pogacar leading for the last two hours of the race. Nobody got close. It was just as lame as the women's World Championship in Harrogate that marked a lowpoint in women's cycling.

Last years wcrr likely would have been this years amstel if remco just rode

 

[Andre]

That's a shame, great place to be.

hhmmm...that's debatable

 

[red_flanders]

hhmmm...that's debatable

It's an opinion. You can disagree, but there's nothing to debate.

 

[Andre]

It's an opinion. You can disagree, but there's nothing to debate.

ok noted, I disagree

 

[Gratemans]

So now we're debating american states apparently. Whatever.

Of course Remco would aways win this. And of course he won't win the RR.
I'm not so sure Pog will though. I feel tactics might play a role here. Or maybe I just hope they will.

Anyway, it's an interesting course.

It's all going to shite anyway.

 

[proffate]

That'll get ya slapped in California.

You must not live near the coast

 

[proffate]

I don't think it's all that much about recovery as it's about a different prep. Last we had a stage 1 ITT, both Pogi and Vingegaard did really well. But they and all competitors prepare for a GT then, whereas the WCTT takes a very specific prep, better suited for specialists.

Had this been stage 1 of the Tour, Pogi would easily be 2nd. And maybe even 1st.

2.5 minutes is some really good "prep". I could see being good at an hour but falling apart in a longer race, but Pogi has to have been "prepping" for a longer race and I don't know how that wouldn't transfer over.

He's never had a bad TT in a grand tour though. He's finished within a respectable distance of both Remco and Ganna in flat TTs at the Tour and the Giro, and beaten both when the road goes uphill. I'd enjoy watching it though, because like you say it could add a bit more jeopardy. Not sure I'd want two flat TTs though, they're not good for TV viewers.

I think they're good for putting on in the background while I do other stuff. Every time I look up I see a weirdo whizz by with a novel piece of headware... Cannot miss out on a crucial race winning move if I don't look up, bc there is no race winning moment. It's kind of easier to keep up with given lack of time to spend 1-2hrs watching a new stage every night. The non mtf days are rest days for fans too

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar never wins a ITT like this against Evenepoel, when both are perfectly prepared. Evenepoel is just better at this.

Just like Remco has never beaten Pogacar in a stage race, but some insist he can beat him in the Tour .

What's the difference between this and the discussion in Remco´s thread? Saying he can improve and beat Pogacar in the Tour, even though he's never been close to him in a stage race.

 

[Cookster15]

Of course Remco would aways win this. And of course he won't win the RR.
I'm not so sure Pog will though. I feel tactics might play a role here. Or maybe I just hope they will.

Today can't have helped Pogacar's confidence.

 

[Cycling111]

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Rnk	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	210	100	10″	4:21:19
2	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	150	70	6″	2:10
3	Lipowitz Florian	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe	110	50	4″	2:23
4	Johannessen Tobias Halland	Uno-X Mobility	90	40		3:00
5	Onley Oscar	Team Picnic PostNL	70	32		,,
6	Vauquelin Kévin	Arkéa - B&B Hotels	55	26		3:33
7	Evenepoel Remco	Soudal Quick-Step	45	22		3:35

I'm tired of reading on Twitter today that he'd win the Tour with a time trial, when Pogacar hasn't lost that much in the Tour. Pogacar has never been worse than Vine in a time trial, that says something
that today he´s has had a particularly disastrous day.

But even having this disastrous ITT in the Tour, no one is saying that only in Hautacam he would have recovered that time and gained a minute

Remco hasn´t been able to beat Pogacar Pogacar in a climb, neither Vingegaard. He hasn't even been able to follow ther wheel in a mountain and be on par with them.

 

[proffate]

These guys all have chest fairings

 

[red_flanders]

You must not live near the coast

20 mins. Basically perfect weather. 80 all the time.

 

[houtdffan]

I'm tired of reading on Twitter today that he'd win the Tour with a time trial, when Pogacar hasn't lost that much in the Tour. Pogacar has never been worse than Vine in a time trial, that says something
that today he´s has had a particularly disastrous day.

But even having this disastrous ITT in the Tour, no one is saying that only in Hautacam he would have recovered that time and gained a minute

Remco hasn´t been able to beat Pogacar Pogacar in a climb, neither Vingegaard. He hasn't even been able to follow ther wheel in a mountain and be on par with them.

Remco did drop Vingo on Stage 18 last year

 

[red_flanders]

I think Pogi was somewhat lucky in having Remco pass him, in that I'm pretty sure he's 5th if he doesn't have that carrot to chase (and draft) as long as he did. Not that 4th or 5th really matters, but Del Toro may have actually ridden a better time without that factor.

 

[Rob5091]

Apparently Mrs Pogi has the sniffles so that might explain the GOAT's less then GOAT performance.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Had this been stage 1 of the Tour, Pogi would easily be 2nd. And maybe even 1st.

There is no way to know this for sure. That's why they ride the race. So many factors are involved to determine who rides well on any given day.

 

[yaco]

Yes, but he had never beaten Pogacar in a time trial either. Pogacar had always finished ahead of him, except today

If Vine has finished "only" a minute behind a supersonic Remco in a time trial, in a tough race, I wouldn't rule out his performance being exponentially superior comparing today.

Don't extrapolate an ITT to a one day race or you are looking for trouble.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Pogacar has never been worse than Vine in a time trial, that says something

Apparently they have faced each other twice in ITT before today, so it basically doesn’t say that much at all.