World Politics

[redtreviso]

Those fun loving U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

SSDP (Same sh!t, different president)

Pumped full of Rush Limbaugh on Armed Services Radio..They'll be "great Americans" when they return home I bet (NOT)..Lets do a BUDWEISER commercial in an airport for them. Different President..same military

 

[patricknd]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/candidate-obama-2007-americans-have-righ

i thought this was interesting.

 

[The Hitch]

Mt. Rushmore is way too small for Reagan. They're going to put his face on freaking Mt. Rainier. Of course, just when it's finished, the whole thing will explode, Jesus (with Ron on his right and 'W' on his left) will descend from the heavens, and the rapture will be upon us, (televised life and in HD)

Surely Bush 41 more than Reagan. Bush 41 afterall was the one that said that atheists arent welcome in America as its a christian country.

Those fun loving U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

SSDP (Same sh!t, different president)

That is absolutely horrible! After all the rhetoric during the 2008 presidential campaign, it is a real shame to see this stuff still going on. SSDP indeed!

I could barely make it through that article. Just incredibly angry after reading it. I can't even post anymore after reading this and will try to comment later.

Judging by the comments seems many expected greatness from Obama. Not me. And im not just saying that. Honestly, his, if i win "the rise of the oceans will begin to stop and the world will begin to heal" crap annoyed me from the start.

Moreover, if not during the campaign, his disregard for campaign promises shoiuld have been visible immediately after the election when he answered questions about the flurry of promises immediately broken ( selecting Hillary as SOS, lack of increased ties with Chavez, not closing Guantanamo ) with the incredibly cheap response that, all that (the campaign promises) was in the past but we need to look to the future.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/candidate-obama-2007-americans-have-righ

i thought this was interesting.

Didnt he also say he wouldnt even run for president. Not in 08 anyway. I believe it was on MTP. About a year before declaring he needed to save the world after-all.

 

[patricknd]

Moreover, if not during the campaign, his disregard for campaign promises shoiuld have been visible immediately after the election when he answered questions about the flurry of promises immediately broken ( selecting Hillary as SOS, lack of increased ties with Chavez, not closing Guantanamo ) with the incredibly cheap response that, all that (the campaign promises) was in the past but we need to look to the future.



Didnt he also say he wouldnt even run for president. Not in 08 anyway. I believe it was on MTP. About a year before declaring he needed to save the world after-all.

i think if nothing else it shows his incredible naivete as a candidate.

 

[Cobblestones]

Surely Bush 41 more than Reagan. Bush 41 afterall was the one that said that atheists arent welcome in America as its a christian country.

But Bush 41 also raised taxes which is un-American socialism and therefore of the Anti-Christ.

 

[redtreviso]

Michele Bachmann(R-TB) saves America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsQtE5tI0jg

 

[popolo]

support the troops!

Those fun loving U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

SSDP (Same sh!t, different president)

This mindless "support the troops" bs has to end. I DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS..

The only way this horse **** stops is if the prospective "troops" start learning history, and start questioning wtf is the USA's role in the world.

The problem seems to be that by design there are very few good jobs available to young people and the military seems to be a reasonable alternative.

With POTUS, (fierce urgency of now/yes we can) telling troops that "you will accomplish your mission" bs I don't see an end in sight to the lies.

Afghanistan is truly the graveyard of empires. Time to pay off ****stan, get OBL, and get the hell out.

What a disgrace.

WTH is with the editing of P akistan?

 

[patricknd]

WTH is with the editing of P akistan?

censorship gone horribly wrong

 

[Hugh Januss]

Michele Bachmann(R-TB) saves America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsQtE5tI0jg

That would be funny if it were not so chillingly accurate.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Michele Bachmann(R-TB) saves America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsQtE5tI0jg

Can you summarize the video? I can not watch here at work. No doubt anything that Bachmann says or does is a bunch of mindless blabber from a dunce.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

History does repeat itself.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan once recalled a story about how while he was a Democrat, he admired and was an aide to Richard Nixon before himself becoming a US Senator, so when Nixon was elected President Moynihan met with him and told him this was a great opportunity to get out of Viet Nam. Everyone had been saying it was LBJ's war, and he could get out and leave it at that, else it would become his war. Of course DPM turned out to be correct, and we were still in Viet Nam through Nixon's entire Presidency. Then of course there was the My Lai massacre, which occurred while Nixon was running, but the investigation and hearings were on his watch. That turned out really well for the country, one of the darkest moments in our history.

Now, here we are, some 40 years later, and the reflections are astounding.

W = LBJ
Nixon = Obama
Viet Nam = Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya
My Lai = Kandahar
Lt. William Calley = Sgt. Calvin Gibbs

If history is going to completely repeat itself, then there will be hearings, and the book will be thrown at Gibbs, while those around him, especially his superiors, will face almost no repercussions. And of course the war will continue on for another 5+ years.

Obama is going to speak on TV in about four hours. He's a really good talker, even the Koch brothers admit that, so it should be interesting. I expect some great rationalizations about how we're doing good in Libya, and turning things over to "coalition forces" and "NATO" while ignoring the fact we are supporting these forces both with our military, and our money, and still have no identifiable goal, no tangible contingency plan, or full exit strategy. For none of these wars actually. Obama wont mention the Kandahar murders at all, and say almost nothing about Iraq or Afghanistan, other than glossing over them as being successes.

 

[rhubroma]

This mindless "support the troops" bs has to end. I DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS..

The only way this horse **** stops is if the prospective "troops" start learning history, and start questioning wtf is the USA's role in the world.

The problem seems to be that by design there are very few good jobs available to young people and the military seems to be a reasonable alternative.

With POTUS, (fierce urgency of now/yes we can) telling troops that "you will accomplish your mission" bs I don't see an end in sight to the lies.

Afghanistan is truly the graveyard of empires. Time to pay off ****stan, get OBL, and get the hell out.

What a disgrace.

WTH is with the editing of P akistan?

The appalling thing is that their really are a mass of mindless patriots who never question the intentions of America's war machine, or the troops that make it run. And when they do it's usually just because they're concerned about the intentions behind its deployment, but never get bothered much about the localities of where it gets deployed, as the recent Libyan scenario has made clear among the conservatives.

They also fully buy into the propaganda BS, which says the military is a righteous force responding to the call of duty and acts exclusively against the forces of terror and barbary. Yet they never once consider what a horrifying culture exists within the US troops, which is at once cynical and ignorant, with a scary accent (growing) of religious bigotry (as if God works through them to purify a turbid world).

There is simply a part of the country that thinks exactly as the generals do, that the world is divided up into two colors: black or white. Shades of grey don't exist for them and, of course, even if some things are a bit messy at times, our intentions were always good and rightious.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The appalling thing is that their really are a mass of mindless patriots who never question the intentions of America's war machine, or the troops that make it run. And when they do it's usually just because they're concerned about the intentions behind its deployment, but never get bothered much about the localities of where it gets deployed, as the recent Libyan scenario has made clear among the conservatives.

They also fully buy into the propaganda BS, which says the military is a righteous force responding to the call of duty and acts exclusively against the forces of terror and barbary. Yet they never once consider what a horrifying culture exists within the US troops, which is at once cynical and ignorant, with a scary accent (growing) of religious bigotry (as if God works through them to purify a turbid world).

There is simply a part of the country that thinks exactly as the generals do, that the world is divided up into two colors: black or white. Shades of grey don't exist for them and, of course, even if some things are a bit messy at times, our intentions were always good and rightious.

So you are saying all the US troops are cynical and ignorant?

 

[rhubroma]

History does repeat itself.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan once recalled a story about how while he was a Democrat, he admired and was an aide to Richard Nixon before himself becoming a US Senator, so when Nixon was elected President Moynihan met with him and told him this was a great opportunity to get out of Viet Nam. Everyone had been saying it was LBJ's war, and he could get out and leave it at that, else it would become his war. Of course DPM turned out to be correct, and we were still in Viet Nam through Nixon's entire Presidency. Then of course there was the My Lai massacre, which occurred while Nixon was running, but the investigation and hearings were on his watch. That turned out really well for the country, one of the darkest moments in our history.

Now, here we are, some 40 years later, and the reflections are astounding.

W = LBJ
Nixon = Obama
Viet Nam = Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya
My Lai = Kandahar
Lt. William Calley = Sgt. Calvin Gibbs

If history is going to completely repeat itself, then there will be hearings, and the book will be thrown at Gibbs, while those around him, especially his superiors, will face almost no repercussions. And of course the war will continue on for another 5+ years.

Obama is going to speak on TV in about four hours. He's a really good talker, even the Koch brothers admit that, so it should be interesting. I expect some great rationalizations about how we're doing good in Libya, and turning things over to "coalition forces" and "NATO" while ignoring the fact we are supporting these forces both with our military, and our money, and still have no identifiable goal, no tangible contingency plan, or full exit strategy. For none of these wars actually. Obama wont mention the Kandahar murders at all, and say almost nothing about Iraq or Afghanistan, other than glossing over them as being successes.

The problem with NATO is that it is viewed by the Arab world, and not only, as a costume to cover up what would otherwise be identified without reservations as military action of a US and Western imperialism. The problem of image is, therefore, considerable.

I'm still unsure as what should have been done, however, I am quite certain that having NATO lead the operation causes serious issues within the region. And this only complicates things.

 

[rhubroma]

So you are saying all the US troops are cynical and ignorant?

I'm saying that there is quite a lot of cynicism in the high command, and quite a lot of ignorance among the troops. I have had personal experiences with this, as well as the bigotry, in my work outside the university.

Let's just leave it at that.

 

[Darryl Webster]

'US drops uranium bombs on Libya'
http://www.presstv.com/detail/171881.html

http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1870
US / Israeli governments behind Libyan crisis.

"The United States government has been working since February 2011 to create so much strife in Libya that the UN would be forced into sanctioning a US backed military intervention. Both the US and Israel were fermenting a fake revolution with well armed foreign mercenaries. The CIA/Mossad mercenaries and US special forces have been on the ground in Libya since Feb. 24th 2011.

The mercenaries that the US claims have been ordered by Gaddafi to attack and murder Libyan protesters and civilians are actually Israeli paid mercenaries taking their orders from the Israeli Mossad security firm CST Global. The people the US claims are Libyan rebels are actually CIA mercenaries. It is for this reason that US president went to the UN to get immunity for war crimes for the CIA/Mossad financed mercenaries. UN Resolution 1970 states the US requests to protect all mercenaries from indictment for war crimes: “Recalling article 16 of the Rome Statute under which no investigation or prosecution may be commenced or proceeded with by the International Criminal Court for a period of 12 months after a Security Council request to that effect“. Once the UN gave the CIA and Israeli mercenaries immunity Obama made his intentions be known – military invasion and occupation of Libya."


Comments peeps?

 

[redtreviso]

Can you summarize the video? I can not watch here at work. No doubt anything that Bachmann says or does is a bunch of mindless blabber from a dunce.

Scotty thinks she is hawt.. botched lobotomies are good good in Republican circles..

 

[Semper Fidelis]

'US drops uranium bombs on Libya'
http://www.presstv.com/detail/171881.html

http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1870
US / Israeli governments behind Libyan crisis.

"The United States government has been working since February 2011 to create so much strife in Libya that the UN would be forced into sanctioning a US backed military intervention. Both the US and Israel were fermenting a fake revolution with well armed foreign mercenaries. The CIA/Mossad mercenaries and US special forces have been on the ground in Libya since Feb. 24th 2011.

The mercenaries that the US claims have been ordered by Gaddafi to attack and murder Libyan protesters and civilians are actually Israeli paid mercenaries taking their orders from the Israeli Mossad security firm CST Global. The people the US claims are Libyan rebels are actually CIA mercenaries. It is for this reason that US president went to the UN to get immunity for war crimes for the CIA/Mossad financed mercenaries. UN Resolution 1970 states the US requests to protect all mercenaries from indictment for war crimes: “Recalling article 16 of the Rome Statute under which no investigation or prosecution may be commenced or proceeded with by the International Criminal Court for a period of 12 months after a Security Council request to that effect“. Once the UN gave the CIA and Israeli mercenaries immunity Obama made his intentions be known – military invasion and occupation of Libya."


Comments peeps?

On the first report I do not doubt that DU was used.

Second linked "report"....
You are very late on the take. Someone else linked these reports. I thought it might be Cobblestones who posted it a while back. Since I can not view his link here at work I am unable to verify it.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'm saying that there is quite a lot of cynicism in the high command, and quite a lot of ignorance among the troops. I have had personal experiences with this, as well as the bigotry, in my work outside the university.

Let's just leave it at that.

Ignorance regarding what subject? What type of personal experience have you had that had US toops showing ingnorance and bigotry? In and out of the university?

 

[Cobblestones]

On the first report I do not doubt that DU was used.

Second linked "report"....
You are very late on the take. Someone else linked these reports. I thought it might be Cobblestones who posted it a while back. Since I can not view his link here at work I am unable to verify it.

No, not my link. IMHO, this is not a serious website.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Of course as the self appointed World Police the USA Admins always play by the rules.
Heres a nice list of Special Acitivities Division and the National Clandestine Service divisions of the CIA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Division

They do seem to like to get involved in the internal afairs of soverign states strangely enough.

 

[patricknd]

On the first report I do not doubt that DU was used.

Second linked "report"....
You are very late on the take. Someone else linked these reports. I thought it might be Cobblestones who posted it a while back. Since I can not view his link here at work I am unable to verify it.

it was darryl that posted it originally, and now again. i think he's into recycling. gotta like a green guy

 

[Darryl Webster]

Loving the open minded debate peeps, lets just keep as off topic as we can eh?
Question: Does the CIA under orders from the Whitehouse Admin get involved in illigal ( under International Convention) activities to destabalise the internal governance of Soverign States?

Yes or No answer will do fine.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I haven't linked to a leaked cable in a while, but this one seems quite relevant.

No, not my link. IMHO, this is not a serious website.

I am sorry about that Cobblestones. I remembered your cable link and was mistaken on the content. I see that Patrick has corrected me.

I am not sure where that news about the Israelis and the US CIA has set this all up came from. Webbsters is upset we overlooked the original article.

Like I said I am not surprised about the use of DU. The USA has used DU since Desert Storm/Shield, so it has never been done away with .....therefore I am not surprised if they did use them. USUALLY DU is used from M1 Abrams and not from the SKY.

 

[Anonymous]

Loving the open minded debate peeps, lets just keep as off topic as we can eh?
Question: Does the CIA under orders from the Whitehouse Admin get involved in illigal ( under International Convention) activities to destabalise the internal governance of Soverign States?

Yes or No answer will do fine.

Does the British government? Does the German government? Does The Chinese government? Does the Russian government? Does the Iranian government?

Unless I am mistaken, this game is played by a lot of heavy hitters. Sure, we do it. So, yes.