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[python]

But you and python hate anything American, I get it. Disconcerting to see WW2 mentioned(by Python), and not mention the holocaust, the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march, the number of US POW that died at the hands of the Japanese..that was an awful war.

When World War II is dealt with on mainstream media or in books here in Europe which happens almost everyday, then 95% of the time, it mentions the Holocaust, so it's a bit of fresh air to deal with it without referring to it (or even better to discuss past wars other than WWII and other than WWI).

Nobody mentions rapes by GI's against French women, the Dresden bombing, the bombings of Belgian cities such as Leuven (500 dead) or Mechelen, of French cities such as Le Havre or Rouen, racism within the US Navy and when Allied crimes are remembered such as Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's approved of (which shows how inhuman the modernist society is !!!).

But then again, why constantly refer to World War II? Nothing has happened ever since or happened before? It's as if you have a good alibi, fighting the Foul Beast. You were the goodies against the vilains. Why don't you like to deal with all you've done in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodgia? Or in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia? Or on your own territory against Amerindians or against Southerners? Agent Orange and depleted uranium?

And then you say that we hate everything that is American. Who saw the Trump election with optimism and who not? I have my doubt about Trump though since he's appointed Zionists at key posts but his electoral agenda was very interesting. The thing is that the America that I love is the one you hate: the America of the Wild West. Geronimo's America. The Cajuns' America. Not the big cities on both coasts, Disneyland or Hollywood. So stop being a Calimero. It's a bit like Jewish paranoia whining that the whole world is anti-Semitic whenever anybody expresses criticism against the said community/culture. It's too easy.

Then there was the slaughter of Sant'Anna di Stazzema. Brutality is ubiquitous, ingrained in the human condition and only under rare and transient circumstances does this brutality cease to subsist.

i am going to be brief. the difference btwn you - an expat american and someone like busted is that you reflect and philosophize human deeds. he uses the deeds to reenforce his dogmas. thus, 'america kills civilians incidentally but others INTENTIONALLY.' it was posted so many times that there could be zero doubt the dude is totally convinced of the illogical premise for a professional military. i am not saying that you or me or anyone is free of biases. i am not going to speculate as to why you, an american born in america yet chose to live outside the country of your birth. that's not my business. i am just saying that many americans, including you and the many i listed earlier, don't find the simplistic need for labeling those they find disagreeable as haters, stooges, cowards etc.

you may not like putin, and i know for a fact you dont, but you'd not choose to go the simpleton road of labeling anything challenging your belief a stooge, a hater, a coward etc.

busted and several other have no such limitations. and if you pointed to many americans having no such sick affinity, you are an america hater. sorry it did not comeout as brief as i wanted....

 

[djpbaltimore]

That is a total strawman. Btw, this thread is not meant to be a place to perpetually air your grievances against posters who have a far more balanced view of the world IMO than you.

 

[python]

just to follow your lead, fake, the us politics thread is not a place to perpetually air your grievances against the posters who have a far more more balanced view of who is the russian stooge, or who is america hater or who is any of the innumerable labels you called them.

since you so often insisted on naming who doubted you, just refer to the right thread. i f you fake again they didn't i will oblige. as ever.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

But you and python hate anything American, I get it. Disconcerting to see WW2 mentioned(by Python), and not mention the holocaust, the rape of Nanking, the Bataan death march, the number of US POW that died at the hands of the Japanese..that was an awful war.

When World War II is dealt with on mainstream media or in books here in Europe which happens almost everyday, then 95% of the time, it mentions the Holocaust, so it's a bit of fresh air to deal with it without referring to it (or even better to discuss past wars other than WWII and other than WWI).

Nobody mentions rapes by GI's against French women, the Dresden bombing, the bombings of Belgian cities such as Leuven (500 dead) or Mechelen, of French cities such as Le Havre or Rouen, racism within the US Navy and when Allied crimes are remembered such as Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's approved of (which shows how inhuman the modernist society is !!!).

But then again, why constantly refer to World War II? Nothing has happened ever since or happened before? It's as if you have a good alibi, fighting the Foul Beast. You were the goodies against the vilains. Why don't you like to deal with all you've done in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodgia? Or in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia? Or on your own territory against Amerindians or against Southerners? Agent Orange and depleted uranium?

And then you say that we hate everything that is American. Who saw the Trump election with optimism and who not? I have my doubt about Trump though since he's appointed Zionists at key posts but his electoral agenda was very interesting. The thing is that the America that I love is the one you hate: the America of the Wild West. Geronimo's America. The Cajuns' America. Not the big cities on both coasts, Disneyland or Hollywood. So stop being a Calimero. It's a bit like Jewish paranoia whining that the whole world is anti-Semitic whenever anybody expresses criticism against the said community/culture. It's too easy.

Then there was the slaughter of Sant'Anna di Stazzema. Brutality is ubiquitous, ingrained in the human condition and only under rare and transient circumstances does this brutality cease to subsist.

i am going to be brief. the difference btwn you - an expat american and someone like busted is that you reflect and philosophize human deeds. he uses the deeds to reenforce his dogmas. thus, 'america kills civilians incidentally but others INTENTIONALLY.' it was posted so many times that there could be zero doubt the dude is totally convinced of the illogical premise for a professional military. i am not saying that you or me or anyone is free of biases. i am not going to speculate as to why you, an american born in america yet chose to live outside the country of your birth. that's not my business. i am just saying that many americans, including you and the many i listed earlier, don't find the simplistic need for labeling those they find disagreeable as haters, stooges, cowards etc.

you may not like putin, and i know for a fact you dont, but you'd not choose to go the simpleton road of labeling anything challenging your belief a stooge, a hater, a coward etc.

busted and several other have no such limitations. and if you pointed to many americans having no such sick affinity, you are an america hater. sorry it did not comeout as brief as i wanted....

Intent means a lot. BUT, war fighting is inherently illogical...and brutal and messy. Most civilians, particularly those not from the USA, don't understand why somebody would choose to serve their nation in a such a way. Oh well. Don't think much of the US? Don't really care.

Out

 

[Echoes]

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That is a total strawman. Btw, this thread is not meant to be a place to perpetually air your grievances against posters who have a far more balanced view of the world IMO than you.

Godwin Law in disguise is not a balanced view of the world, neither in my opinion nor in reality. You've informed about the massacre event that I've been attacked at. Guess what the insult behind is. In a fair world that poster should be discredited for life but here he's praised.

 

[blutto]

....speaking of the exceptional use of DU in Syria....

According to the Airwars report, CENTCOM spokesman Major Josh Jacques said that “5,265 armor-piercing 30mm rounds containing depleted uranium (DU) were shot from Air Force A-10 fixed-wing aircraft on November 16th and 22nd 2015, destroying about 350 vehicles in the country’s eastern desert.”

The admission is important because in early 2015, the US had assured reporters that DU had not and would not be used in Syria. In March 2015, Coalition spokesman John Moore said that “US and Coalition aircraft have not been and will not be using depleted uranium munitions in Iraq or Syria during Operation Inherent Resolve.”

Later that month, a Pentagon representative told War is Boring that A-10s deployed in the region would not have access to armor-piercing ammunition containing DU because the Islamic State didn’t possess the tanks it is designed to penetrate.

Following a tip off from ICBUW member the Nuclear Resister last year, Airwars’ Sam Oakford, who investigated both the latest story and the revelations published last October, approached US Central Command (CENTCOM) for confirmation. CENTCOM and the US Air Force first denied DU was fired, then offered differing accounts of what happened, before finally admitting that DU had been used.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/23/why-did-the-us-use-depleted-uranium-weapons-in-syria/

....btw that last bolded bit sounds a lot like the way US forces handled the aftermath of their destruction of a hospital in Afghanistan recently.....as a reminder, that massacre killed several members of a Doctors Without Borders who were practicing in that hospital....and it was this group that not only sounded the alarm about this attack but had the gravitas to bring the case to the world at large ( and without that group the early denials would most likely have stuck and massacre would have stayed buried... )....

...given the US response in these two cases one has to wonder how many other massacres have occurred that have been swept under the carpet or very wilfully ignored by the western MSM....like how many families have been obliterated for the "crime" of simply being at a wedding or a funeral or other legitimate social gathering ....and we know from the Manning case that the US forces will go to great lengths to bury not only that kind of information but create an atmosphere that will prevent the possibility it will ever happen in the future ( read the Obama administration has been incredibly heavy handed and draconian in its handling of whistle blowers...so its not the work of isolated parts of the military doing this kind of work it is a government wide policy instituted and encouraged by the highest echelon in government....truly exceptional, and given the history, hardly a big surprise....)....

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

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That is reprehensible news about the DU strikes. As I have consistently stated, the US has done a lot of things that are worthy of condemnation. I will also agree that the lack of news coverage (at least that I have seen) is pretty embarrassing. I guess the White House in Chaos stories get more clicks.

I had used MSF (Doctors without Borders) as a source for the Syrian hospital attacks. Here is what I got as a reply.

'....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....'

Godwin Law in disguise is not a balanced view of the world, neither in my opinion nor in reality. You've informed about the massacre event that I've been attacked at. Guess what the insult behind is. In a fair world that poster should be discredited for life but here he's praised.

I am not familiar with that one. Care to elaborate?

 

[Echoes]

You know what the Godwin Law is, don't you? In a debate between two Internet posters when one has no more arguments, he would refer to the Holocaust and make you a Neo-Nazi.

Why do you think the Italian expat to the US referred to a massacre perpetrated by the Waffen SS in Italy to oppose to my comment if not to suspect I was an apologist of the Waffen SS? In the pas he already did it in a more explicit way and in total impunity (though I don't mind and I'm not the kind of poster to report to the mods, it would be useless anyway).

Did he really wish to patronise me about brutality being "ingrained in the human condition"? Obviously not, since that is exactly the point of my own post. Dictatorships do not have a monopoly on mass crimes. It was true back then. It's still true today. So I don't need any moral lessons about it. I've mentioned several crimes by other states than the US on these boards (that's for Busted), I don't need any comment on that either. The Italian expat knows all this very well. If he took the trouble quoting my post, bumping it days after, there's a reason. A very sneaky and wicked one. If only you all could understand his ways and methods to ostracise his enemies ...

 

[Beech Mtn]

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/834503650043101185

 

[blutto]

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That is reprehensible news about the DU strikes. As I have consistently stated, the US has done a lot of things that are worthy of condemnation. I will also agree that the lack of news coverage (at least that I have seen) is pretty embarrassing. I guess the White House in Chaos stories get more clicks.

I had used MSF (Doctors without Borders) as a source for the Syrian hospital attacks. Here is what I got as a reply.

'....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....'

Godwin Law in disguise is not a balanced view of the world, neither in my opinion nor in reality. You've informed about the massacre event that I've been attacked at. Guess what the insult behind is. In a fair world that poster should be discredited for life but here he's praised.

I am not familiar with that one. Care to elaborate?

.....the full quote.....

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Cheers

....and which was followed by this post....

....here is a news flash for you, this is a war and wars are a damn messy business ....and this particular war was a politically motivated action that was aided and abetted by your fellow travellers....they were instrumental in making a total mess of Syria before Aleppo using foreign mercenary jihadists and supplying them with weapons....these proxies, the ISIS monsters, burned unbelievers alive, blew priceless antiquities to bits, and partook of human flesh and now when your side is about to potentially lose the Middle East you start parroting the teary headlines as presented by most compliant Western MSM outlets....

....frankly you are a bit late to the shedding of tears bit....this disaster has been going on about 5 years now and where has your anguish been during that time.....nowhere, and until you heard the dog whistles, and started salivating, and blathering the party line....

...so if you are now so so so concerned, so how do you feel about the latest Pentagon plan to extend this conflict thru stealthy means. you know to make the Russians pay "the price" ( though oddly enough the Pentagon didn't include in their calculus the price the Syrians will have to pay as the Pentagon strives for some tactical or political advantage against Russia...yeah against Russia and the natives become just collateral damage until they are needed to produce good headlines....)....

Cheers

....which btw makes for very good reading back-to-back with the great tweet BM just referred to above ( nice find BM )....and btw the article you referenced described bombing but did not specify who or what was producing the damage ( and I should remind you there were several nations doing their air thang in Syria at that time as well as ISIS batteries doing everything they could to generate headlines for their dear friends in the west ( you know the ones you were so feverishly supporting )....as an example the Merikans for no apparent reason wiped out a key Syrian position about that time to allow ISIS an advantage....false flag? honest mistake ? collateral damage ?... )...

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

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.....the full quote.....

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Cheers

....and which was followed by this post....

....here is a news flash for you, this is a war and wars are a damn messy business ....and this particular war was a politically motivated action that was aided and abetted by your fellow travellers....they were instrumental in making a total mess of Syria before Aleppo using foreign mercenary jihadists and supplying them with weapons....these proxies, the ISIS monsters, burned unbelievers alive, blew priceless antiquities to bits, and partook of human flesh and now when your side is about to potentially lose the Middle East you start parroting the teary headlines as presented by most compliant Western MSM outlets....

....frankly you are a bit late to the shedding of tears bit....this disaster has been going on about 5 years now and where has your anguish been during that time.....nowhere, and until you heard the dog whistles, and started salivating, and blathering the party line....

...so if you are now so so so concerned, so how do you feel about the latest Pentagon plan to extend this conflict thru stealthy means. you know to make the Russians pay "the price" ( though oddly enough the Pentagon didn't include in their calculus the price the Syrians will have to pay as the Pentagon strives for some tactical or political advantage against Russia...yeah against Russia and the natives become just collateral damage until they are needed to produce good headlines....)....

Cheers

....which btw makes for very good reading back-to-back with the great tweet BM just referred to above ( nice find BM )....and btw the article you referenced described bombing but did not specify who or what was producing the damage ( and I should remind you there were several nations doing their air thang in Syria at that time as well as ISIS batteries doing everything they could to generate headlines for their dear friends in the west ( you know the ones you were so feverishly supporting )....as an example the Merikans for no apparent reason wiped out a key Syrian position about that time to allow ISIS an advantage....false flag? honest mistake ? collateral damage ?... )...

Cheers

You obviously did not read the article then. Here is the last sentence from the Doctors without Borders post.

"Russia and Syria must stop this carnage now."

Also note the headline...

http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-hospitals-hit-repeatedly-russian-and-syrian-airstrikes-condemning-hundreds-wounded

Insinuating that I am in league with ISIS because I voted for Clinton makes that passage sound even more ridiculous IMO. Thank you for including it.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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You obviously did not read the article then. Here is the last sentence from the Doctors without Borders post.

"Russia and Syria must stop this carnage now."

Also note the headline...

http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-hospitals-hit-repeatedly-russian-and-syrian-airstrikes-condemning-hundreds-wounded

Insinuating that I am in league with ISIS because I voted for Clinton makes that passage sound even more ridiculous IMO. Thank you for including it.

I know, right? Especially when Russia destroys the last hospital in Aleppo 21 times in just a few months! BTW, who is bombing Russia's hospitals in Aleppo? http://theduran.com/wests-silence-bombing-russias-hospital-aleppo-shameful/ That dastardly Putin!

I don't doubt for a second that Russian and Syrian bombs have hit hospitals in Aleppo. If you look at a google map of hospitals in Aleppo, there are actually quite a few and they seem to be clustered near the center of the city and in very built-up dense neighborhoods. From my limited understanding of where "rebel" forces were located in east Aleppo, it looks like a lot of the affected hospitals were within 100 meters of the front lines.

Absent any kind of motivation, I really think the Aleppo hospitals are suffering the exact same kind of collateral damage that Baghdad et all had to endure. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/02/iraq.simonjeffery

John Swanson

 

[blutto]

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.....the full quote.....

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Cheers

....and which was followed by this post....

....here is a news flash for you, this is a war and wars are a damn messy business ....and this particular war was a politically motivated action that was aided and abetted by your fellow travellers....they were instrumental in making a total mess of Syria before Aleppo using foreign mercenary jihadists and supplying them with weapons....these proxies, the ISIS monsters, burned unbelievers alive, blew priceless antiquities to bits, and partook of human flesh and now when your side is about to potentially lose the Middle East you start parroting the teary headlines as presented by most compliant Western MSM outlets....

....frankly you are a bit late to the shedding of tears bit....this disaster has been going on about 5 years now and where has your anguish been during that time.....nowhere, and until you heard the dog whistles, and started salivating, and blathering the party line....

...so if you are now so so so concerned, so how do you feel about the latest Pentagon plan to extend this conflict thru stealthy means. you know to make the Russians pay "the price" ( though oddly enough the Pentagon didn't include in their calculus the price the Syrians will have to pay as the Pentagon strives for some tactical or political advantage against Russia...yeah against Russia and the natives become just collateral damage until they are needed to produce good headlines....)....

Cheers

....which btw makes for very good reading back-to-back with the great tweet BM just referred to above ( nice find BM )....and btw the article you referenced described bombing but did not specify who or what was producing the damage ( and I should remind you there were several nations doing their air thang in Syria at that time as well as ISIS batteries doing everything they could to generate headlines for their dear friends in the west ( you know the ones you were so feverishly supporting )....as an example the Merikans for no apparent reason wiped out a key Syrian position about that time to allow ISIS an advantage....false flag? honest mistake ? collateral damage ?... )...

Cheers

You obviously did not read the article then. Here is the last sentence from the Doctors without Borders post.

"Russia and Syria must stop this carnage now."

Also note the headline...

http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-hospitals-hit-repeatedly-russian-and-syrian-airstrikes-condemning-hundreds-wounded

Insinuating that I am in league with ISIS because I voted for Clinton makes that passage sound even more ridiculous IMO. Thank you for including it.

....to the first bolded....I did read the whole article....and as for that line, well, frankly didn't make much sense....does it mean stop the battle by winning ? or withdraw and let the nice ISIS people have their way with us ?....or does it refer to the carnage the hospitals are seeing come thru their doors ?....

....as to the second bolded I thought it painted you in the absolutely correct colour, "you sleep with dogs you get fleas "blue....do remember Killbilly was your girl and she really wanted another repeat of Libya....and that is the package you voted for....

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

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I know, right? Especially when Russia destroys the last hospital in Aleppo 21 times in just a few months! BTW, who is bombing Russia's hospitals in Aleppo? http://theduran.com/wests-silence-bombing-russias-hospital-aleppo-shameful/ That dastardly Putin!

I don't doubt for a second that Russian and Syrian bombs have hit hospitals in Aleppo. If you look at a google map of hospitals in Aleppo, there are actually quite a few and they seem to be clustered near the center of the city and in very built-up dense neighborhoods. From my limited understanding of where "rebel" forces were located in east Aleppo, it looks like a lot of the affected hospitals were within 100 meters of the front lines.

Absent any kind of motivation, I really think the Aleppo hospitals are suffering the exact same kind of collateral damage that Baghdad et all had to endure. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/02/iraq.simonjeffery

John Swanson

In the fight against ISIS, there is going to be a lot of collateral damage to come. People can argue about the ends justifying the means all that they want. I am personally skeptical of this line of thought.

....to the first bolded....I did read the whole article....and as for that line, well, frankly didn't make much sense....does it mean stop the battle by winning ? or withdraw and let the nice ISIS people have their way with us ?....or does it refer to the carnage the hospitals are seeing come thru their doors ?....

....as to the second bolded I thought it painted you in the absolutely correct colour, "you sleep with dogs you get fleas "blue....do remember Killbilly was your girl and she really wanted another repeat of Libya....and that is the package you voted for....

Cheers

It was juxtaposed right after mentioning that they were operating on bombing victims. I would say the implication was rather straightforward, but as always YMMV....

I voted for Clinton. But that still has precious little to do with ISIS. I don't think they allow Methodists in the club, so she would probably not be a member in good standing.

 

[blutto]

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I know, right? Especially when Russia destroys the last hospital in Aleppo 21 times in just a few months! BTW, who is bombing Russia's hospitals in Aleppo? http://theduran.com/wests-silence-bombing-russias-hospital-aleppo-shameful/ That dastardly Putin!

I don't doubt for a second that Russian and Syrian bombs have hit hospitals in Aleppo. If you look at a google map of hospitals in Aleppo, there are actually quite a few and they seem to be clustered near the center of the city and in very built-up dense neighborhoods. From my limited understanding of where "rebel" forces were located in east Aleppo, it looks like a lot of the affected hospitals were within 100 meters of the front lines.

Absent any kind of motivation, I really think the Aleppo hospitals are suffering the exact same kind of collateral damage that Baghdad et all had to endure. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/02/iraq.simonjeffery

John Swanson

In the fight against ISIS, there is going to be a lot of collateral damage to come. People can argue about the ends justifying the means all that they want. I am personally skeptical of this line of thought.

....to the first bolded....I did read the whole article....and as for that line, well, frankly didn't make much sense....does it mean stop the battle by winning ? or withdraw and let the nice ISIS people have their way with us ?....or does it refer to the carnage the hospitals are seeing come thru their doors ?....

....as to the second bolded I thought it painted you in the absolutely correct colour, "you sleep with dogs you get fleas "blue....do remember Killbilly was your girl and she really wanted another repeat of Libya....and that is the package you voted for....

Cheers

It was juxtaposed right after mentioning that they were operating on bombing victims. I would say the implication was rather straightforward, but as always YMMV....

I voted for Clinton. But that still has precious little to do with ISIS. I don't think they allow Methodists in the club, so she would probably not be a member in good standing.

....Methodistically true, but that club relies heavily on donations and support from lots of people in the Hillbilly universe, including Ms Fly Zone herself ( I mean just look how critical that fly zone proved to be in Libya in achieving her killer success )....and as for membership I think the rules are much looser than you let on....I mean just look at how happy they were to receive McCain into the fold....

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

take it easy on the stooges!

 

[movingtarget]

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take it easy on the stooges!

Larry, Mo and Curly could be pretty vicious sometimes..................

 

[blutto]

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.....the full quote.....

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Cheers

....and which was followed by this post....

....here is a news flash for you, this is a war and wars are a damn messy business ....and this particular war was a politically motivated action that was aided and abetted by your fellow travellers....they were instrumental in making a total mess of Syria before Aleppo using foreign mercenary jihadists and supplying them with weapons....these proxies, the ISIS monsters, burned unbelievers alive, blew priceless antiquities to bits, and partook of human flesh and now when your side is about to potentially lose the Middle East you start parroting the teary headlines as presented by most compliant Western MSM outlets....

....frankly you are a bit late to the shedding of tears bit....this disaster has been going on about 5 years now and where has your anguish been during that time.....nowhere, and until you heard the dog whistles, and started salivating, and blathering the party line....

...so if you are now so so so concerned, so how do you feel about the latest Pentagon plan to extend this conflict thru stealthy means. you know to make the Russians pay "the price" ( though oddly enough the Pentagon didn't include in their calculus the price the Syrians will have to pay as the Pentagon strives for some tactical or political advantage against Russia...yeah against Russia and the natives become just collateral damage until they are needed to produce good headlines....)....

Cheers

....which btw makes for very good reading back-to-back with the great tweet BM just referred to above ( nice find BM )....and btw the article you referenced described bombing but did not specify who or what was producing the damage ( and I should remind you there were several nations doing their air thang in Syria at that time as well as ISIS batteries doing everything they could to generate headlines for their dear friends in the west ( you know the ones you were so feverishly supporting )....as an example the Merikans for no apparent reason wiped out a key Syrian position about that time to allow ISIS an advantage....false flag? honest mistake ? collateral damage ?... )...

Cheers

You obviously did not read the article then. Here is the last sentence from the Doctors without Borders post.

"Russia and Syria must stop this carnage now."

Also note the headline...

http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-hospitals-hit-repeatedly-russian-and-syrian-airstrikes-condemning-hundreds-wounded

Insinuating that I am in league with ISIS because I voted for Clinton makes that passage sound even more ridiculous IMO. Thank you for including it.

....oddly enough there was another report from MSF mentioned on the page you quoted....this article is also a bit confusing actually names some names.....

Amman - Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) demands that the Syrian and allied governments stop the bombing that is causing a bloodbath among civilians in the city

....and....

“Russia and the other members of the UNSC must respect the resolution on the protection of medical facilities and put an end to the total disregard for humanity that is being displayed in Aleppo today,”

....it specifically points a direct finger at Syrian led forces...Russia is mentioned as someone having influence with and should be doing more to control the Syrians....

....the meta-message from the report seems to be that there is a lot of blame to go around in this mess and over-riding thingee here its a battle in an urbane environment, the ultimate SNAFU.....like this ain't no disco this ain't no foolin around....

.....the bottom line is this didn't just happen, a lot of money was moved around, a lot of weapons were moved around, prison breaks were "arranged" to provide leadership, truck convoys across deserts were left unseen.....and the tweet BM brought to our attention shows the planning for this disaster goes back a long long way, and lots of effort was made to shepherd this plan along...

....so when the food shortage crisis hit Syria the powers that be could have stepped in to help.....but no they had been working on something else....something that involved destroying a country, killing lots of people, and causing untold misery to the "lucky" survivors and providing passage for a gas pipeline.....and all that to produce the political and economic advantage that comes from moving a pawn on the chessboard we call the world....

....so yeah you can argue about who is dropping the bombs today or yesterday or the day before that but ultimately its the Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

Cheers

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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....so yeah you can argue about who is dropping the bombs today or yesterday or the day before that but ultimately its the Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

Cheers[/quote]

Wrong again..Dubya universe.GW2. It was in all the papers.

 

[blutto]

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[quote="

....so yeah you can argue about who is dropping the bombs today or yesterday or the day before that but ultimately its the Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

Cheers

Wrong again..Dubya universe.GW2. It was in all the papers.

....yeah, and we all know how utterly reliable and bias free the papers can be in all things all the time....and yeah you are hanging onto an interesting and important piece of flotsam but the disaster that birthed that flotsam was huge and is still ongoing and has produced and is producing more mountains of flotsam....

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Amman - Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) demands that the Syrian and allied governments stop the bombing that is causing a bloodbath among civilians in the city

....and....

“Russia and the other members of the UNSC must respect the resolution on the protection of medical facilities and put an end to the total disregard for humanity that is being displayed in Aleppo today,”

....it specifically points a direct finger at Syrian led forces...Russia is mentioned as someone having influence with and should be doing more to control the Syrians....

....the meta-message from the report seems to be that there is a lot of blame to go around in this mess and over-riding thingee here its a battle in an urbane environment, the ultimate SNAFU.....like this ain't no disco this ain't no foolin around....

.....the bottom line is this didn't just happen, a lot of money was moved around, a lot of weapons were moved around, prison breaks were "arranged" to provide leadership, truck convoys across deserts were left unseen.....and the tweet BM brought to our attention shows the planning for this disaster goes back a long long way, and lots of effort was made to shepherd this plan along...

....so when the food shortage crisis hit Syria the powers that be could have stepped in to help.....but no they had been working on something else....something that involved destroying a country, killing lots of people, and causing untold misery to the "lucky" survivors and providing passage for a gas pipeline.....and all that to produce the political and economic advantage that comes from moving a pawn on the chessboard we call the world....

....so yeah you can argue about who is dropping the bombs today or yesterday or the day before that but ultimately its the Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

Cheers

1) Ya think??? This is the type of cutting edge analysis that I read the forum for. IMO, your stance on the degree of American responsibility with Saudi Arabia/ Yemen and the degree of Russian responsibility with Syria are hypocritical. Russia has to own every casualty in Syria, even if it was just their allies that pulled the trigger. Of course, if you ask Russia, they still haven't killed a single civilian in Syria, so it hard to expect much accountability on that front. See no evil, hear no evil....

2) If Russia was so concerned with the food shortage, maybe they shouldn't have bombed the UN humanitarian convoy. Hard to argue fog of war with that one, but I am sure that someone will dutifully try to do so.

3) The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale. It only cheapens the dialogue and I know that you are better than that.

 

[python]

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3) The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale. It only cheapens the dialogue and I know that you are better than that.

...i did not bother to quote the 1), 2) nonesense b/c as so often it is based on hatred. it appears now an obsessive, irrational hatred. yes, you deserve your own tag, b/c you started to use it on those who dont buy your extremely ideological view of american misdeeds.

that's why i listed the other day a half a dozen american posters far more reflective and thoughtful. .far from being the kremlin supporters...no wonder you constantly find yourself either ridiculed, or made a fun of, or rejected by them.

but your 3) above is an example of a hyperbolic, sickly imaginative misreading probably caused by some clinical phobia each time someone mentioned him.

easy to verify. blutto wrote:
...Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

you wrote:
The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale.

once again, where did blutto pin personal responsibility for civilian deaths on you ?

 

[djpbaltimore]

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3) The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale. It only cheapens the dialogue and I know that you are better than that.

...i did not bother to quote the 1), 2) nonesense b/c as so often it is based on hatred. it appears now an obsessive, irrational hatred. yes, you deserve your own tag, b/c you started to use it on those who dont buy your extremely ideological view of american misdeeds.

that's why i listed the other day a half a dozen american posters far more reflective and thoughtful. .far from being the kremlin supporters...no wonder you constantly find yourself either ridiculed, or made a fun of, or rejected by them.

but your 3) above is an example of a hyperbolic, sickly imaginative misreading probably caused by some clinical phobia each time someone mentioned him.

easy to verify. blutto wrote:
...Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

you wrote:
The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale.

once again, where did blutto pin personal responsibility for civilian deaths on you ?

1) Is it possible that you attribute so much to hatred, because you have hatred in your own heart? The only thing that I hate is wars and the atrocities committed the US, Russia, (fill in name of country), while waging those wars.

2) Forgive me if I don't get too wound up about a psychological profile proposed by someone who thinks that John McCain should be institutionalized in a mental hospital.

3) You do know what term blutto was going to use after 'useful', right? You know what that would imply, right? We are playing chess here, not checkers. It is a little more obvious below.

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Again, the implications are pretty clear. Much more evident than the hatred that you can allegedly detect in my posts! :lol:

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

Amman - Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) demands that the Syrian and allied governments stop the bombing that is causing a bloodbath among civilians in the city

....and....

“Russia and the other members of the UNSC must respect the resolution on the protection of medical facilities and put an end to the total disregard for humanity that is being displayed in Aleppo today,”

....it specifically points a direct finger at Syrian led forces...Russia is mentioned as someone having influence with and should be doing more to control the Syrians....

....the meta-message from the report seems to be that there is a lot of blame to go around in this mess and over-riding thingee here its a battle in an urbane environment, the ultimate SNAFU.....like this ain't no disco this ain't no foolin around....

.....the bottom line is this didn't just happen, a lot of money was moved around, a lot of weapons were moved around, prison breaks were "arranged" to provide leadership, truck convoys across deserts were left unseen.....and the tweet BM brought to our attention shows the planning for this disaster goes back a long long way, and lots of effort was made to shepherd this plan along...

....so when the food shortage crisis hit Syria the powers that be could have stepped in to help.....but no they had been working on something else....something that involved destroying a country, killing lots of people, and causing untold misery to the "lucky" survivors and providing passage for a gas pipeline.....and all that to produce the political and economic advantage that comes from moving a pawn on the chessboard we call the world....

....so yeah you can argue about who is dropping the bombs today or yesterday or the day before that but ultimately its the Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

Cheers

1) Ya think??? This is the type of cutting edge analysis that I read the forum for. IMO, your stance on the degree of American responsibility with Saudi Arabia/ Yemen and the degree of Russian responsibility with Syria are hypocritical. Russia has to own every casualty in Syria, even if it was just their allies that pulled the trigger. Of course, if you ask Russia, they still haven't killed a single civilian in Syria, so it hard to expect much accountability on that front. See no evil, hear no evil....

2) If Russia was so concerned with the food shortage, maybe they shouldn't have bombed the UN humanitarian convoy. Hard to argue fog of war with that one, but I am sure that someone will dutifully try to do so.

3) The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale. It only cheapens the dialogue and I know that you are better than that.

....to point #2.....was referring to the food shortages in 2011/12....you know the ones which contributed to the start of this crisis.....

....to point #3....first off thanks for the complement ....now back to the business at hand....tying you to that sorta kinda admittedly over the top, think rhetorical here, but the fact remains that by backing the wrong horse you are contributing to something truly awful....like do I think you get up in the morning thinking I just have something awful today....hell no....but on the other hand you are wasting a great deal of energy defending something that is ultimately awful and indefensible....that energy, especially in this political atmosphere defined by choosing btwn two evils, could be put to much better use, like working to some alternative ( the field has never been more fertile for such a development )....

...so yeah," I know that you are better than that" too....so starting fcuking acting like you are ( and I mean that in the good sense....and this time not in the William B Williams way....)....

Cheers

 

[blutto]

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3) The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale. It only cheapens the dialogue and I know that you are better than that.

...i did not bother to quote the 1), 2) nonesense b/c as so often it is based on hatred. it appears now an obsessive, irrational hatred. yes, you deserve your own tag, b/c you started to use it on those who dont buy your extremely ideological view of american misdeeds.

that's why i listed the other day a half a dozen american posters far more reflective and thoughtful. .far from being the kremlin supporters...no wonder you constantly find yourself either ridiculed, or made a fun of, or rejected by them.

but your 3) above is an example of a hyperbolic, sickly imaginative misreading probably caused by some clinical phobia each time someone mentioned him.

easy to verify. blutto wrote:
...Killbilly universe that deserves the blame....and you are a "useful", errrr, "big fan" in this drama....

you wrote:
The campaign to pin personal responsibility on me for civilian deaths is beyond the pale.

once again, where did blutto pin personal responsibility for civilian deaths on you ?

1) Is it possible that you attribute so much to hatred, because you have hatred in your own heart? The only thing that I hate is wars and the atrocities committed the US, Russia, (fill in name of country), while waging those wars.

2) Forgive me if I don't get too wound up about a psychological profile proposed by someone who thinks that John McCain should be institutionalized in a mental hospital.

3) You do know what term blutto was going to use after 'useful', right? You know what that would imply, right? We are playing chess here, not checkers. It is a little more obvious below.

....so you are supporting ISIS in this conflict ?.....no big surprise.....after all you are a big fan of one of their big supporters...hope you sleep well tonight....

Again, the implications are pretty clear. Much more evident than the hatred that you can allegedly detect in my posts! :lol:

.....ahhhh, come on, the guy is a dangerous loon.....he should have been locked up years ago....

Cheers