World Politics

[ravens]

Yeah, the Nazis did not think Jews should be protected either.

Yes, that is what Marx said about the bourgeosie. 10% will need to be liquidated. The progressives probably wouldn't stick to that 10% estimate if they had total control of the State.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Yeah, the Nazis did not think Jews should be protected either.

Keep reaching for that straw....

 

[ravens]

Obama: No Lobbyists in My Admin. (Just kidding!)

No Lobbyist in the Obama Administration ... Except When There Is One

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-...administration--except-when-there-is-one.html



Democrat See, Democrat Do

They spend so much time bashing lobbyists, you'd think they could at least refrain some sticking their hands in their pockets for a few days after the SOTU speech.
Dem. senators spent weekend with bank, energy, tobacco lobbyists
Twelve Democratic Senators spent last weekend in Miami Beach raising money from top lobbyists for oil, drug, and other corporate interests that they often decry, according to a guest list for the event obtained by POLITICO.

Their phoniness precedes them. But at least they closed down Gitmo and got us out of Iraq!

 

[ChrisE]

Not this argument again. The US Constitution does not protect alleged terrorists; it protects US citizens. Terrorists aren't even protected by the Geneva Conventions.

I added something in red for you to think about. You're welcome.

You guys seem to distrust the government so much, how come you trust them to determine whether somebody should be improsoned for life or executed? It's cool if they aren't US citizens?

And people wonder why they think we are hypocrites around the world.

 

[Anonymous]

I added something in red for you to think about. You're welcome.

You guys seem to distrust the government so much, how come you trust them to determine whether somebody should be improsoned for life or executed? It's cool if they aren't US citizens?

And people wonder why they think we are hypocrites around the world.

Do yourself a favor and don't add anything to otherwise intelligent comments.

 

[Bala Verde]

What does the constitution say about US terrorists... Protect, no kill, no protect, no torture, no protect, no no no kill... I can see the deliberation in a Republican office, torn I am telling you torn they are.

After a 200 million Clinton surplus, the deficit is projected to go up from 1.2 billion produced by bush (Didn't he apply Enron accounting methods?) in 8 years, to 1.4 billion.

I still don't see the problem, besides that someone with an MBA harvard degree which he got through his connections, had the slightest idea of accounting. Obama can continue to blame republicans and Bush till the end of his first term. Heck if he gets reelected, he can blame them for another 4 years.

+200 million (8 years)
-1.2 billion (8 years)

talking about deep, deep red ink...

 

[Anonymous]

Oh my. The 4th quarter GDP growth didn't impress everyone.

"Nouriel Roubini, the New York University professor who anticipated the financial crisis, said the U.S. growth outlook remains “very dismal” and White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers said the economy is still mired in a “human recession.”

Speaking at the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, after the U.S. reported the fastest growth in six years, their comments underscored concern that emergency measures to rescue banks and fight the recession may be withdrawn too soon.

“The headline number will look large and big, but actually when you dissect it, it’s very dismal and poor,” Roubini said in a Jan. 30 Bloomberg Television interview following a U.S. Commerce Department report that showed economic expansion of 5.7 percent in the fourth quarter. “I think we are in trouble.”

Roubini said more than half of the growth was related to a replenishing of depleted inventories and that consumption was reliant on monetary and fiscal stimulus. As these forces ebb, the rate will slow to 1.5 percent in the second half of 2010. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aGD7JiuQBQZc

 

[Bala Verde]

Oh my. The 4th quarter GDP growth didn't impress everyone.

To be honest, I hadn't seen Obama standing under a banner saying "Mission Accomplished"

Maybe we should give him as much time as we gave Bush to find WMDs...

 

[Anonymous]

What does the constitution say about US terrorists... Protect, no kill, no protect, no torture, no protect, no no no kill... I can see the deliberation in a Republican office, torn I am telling you torn they are.

After a 200 million Clinton surplus, the deficit is projected to go up from 1.2 billion produced by bush (Didn't he apply Enron accounting methods?) in 8 years, to 1.4 billion.

I still don't see the problem, besides that someone with an MBA harvard degree which he got through his connections, had the slightest idea of accounting. Obama can continue to blame republicans and Bush till the end of his first term. Heck if he gets reelected, he can blame them for another 4 years.
+200 million (8 years)
-1.2 billion (8 years)

talking about deep, deep red ink...

Yep. A winning strategy.

I honestly hope this administration takes your advice.

 

[Bala Verde]

Yep. A winning strategy.

I honestly hope this administration takes your advice.

I am glad you got your magic 8 ball out...

Didn't FDR blame Hoover for 8 straight years?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yep. A winning strategy.

I honestly hope this administration takes your advice.

Who would you blame then for the trouble we are in now?

 

[ravens]

Who would you blame then for the trouble we are in now?

It's not about blame, Hugh, it's about being a leader. In your heart of hearts, when you are only talking amongst like-minded people, do you seriously, SERIOUSLY believe that a strategy of blaming bush is going to help you retain political power?

I read many of your posts on other threads. I know you are not stupid, (all of you) but if you believe that is a winner, you have one helluva blind spot.

 

[ChrisE]

Do yourself a favor and don't add anything to otherwise intelligent comments.

I usually expect a link to some wingnut website debunking a comment from somebody not as smart as you.

Care to comment about why you trust the govt. to determine guilt/innocence but not much else?

Strict Constitutionalist. lol.

 

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I hadn't seen Obama standing under a banner saying "Mission Accomplished"

Maybe we should give him as much time as we gave Bush to find WMDs...

Jeebus, you mean there's more to come??? Are we gonna have a 2011 budget with more than $1.56 Trillion in deficit spending? How much have we added to the National debt under this administration?

When will the alarm bells go off for you guys? Is a one-year $2 Trillion deficit too much? $15 Trillion National Debt? 12% unemployment? $1 Trillion in a new Healthcare entitlement? I'm just curious...

Oh WTF, we are in so deep now we may as well keep it at full throttle.

 

[ravens]

What does the constitution say about US terrorists... Protect, no kill, no protect, no torture, no protect, no no no kill... I can see the deliberation in a Republican office, torn I am telling you torn they are.

After a 200 million Clinton surplus, the deficit is projected to go up from 1.2 billion produced by bush (Didn't he apply Enron accounting methods?) in 8 years, to 1.4 billion.

I still don't see the problem, besides that someone with an MBA harvard degree which he got through his connections, had the slightest idea of accounting. Obama can continue to blame republicans and Bush till the end of his first term. Heck if he gets reelected, he can blame them for another 4 years.

+200 million (8 years)
-1.2 billion (8 years)

talking about deep, deep red ink...

Once again, kids, the CONGRESS is in charge of the purse strings. Clinton's democratic congresses never ran a surplus. Clinton also vetoed welfare reform at least twice and then he lost congress and moved to the middle. Welfare reform was a plan of ...wellll...the party he DID not belong to.

If you are going to attribute deficits and surpluses to a political party, then you need to attribute them to the party that controls congress.

That's 3 8th grade civics lessons in 3 days. HONESTLY You really need to break away from talking points/herd-think it will aid you in defending your ideals. Otherwise it's all a bunch of boilerplate.

One last thing, this YEAR's Budget deficit proposal right now is 1.3 TRILLION.

 

[Anonymous]

I usually expect a link to some wingnut website debunking a comment from somebody not as smart as you.

Care to comment about why you trust the govt. to determine guilt/innocence but not much else?

Strict Constitutionalist. lol.

Uh, I dunno... a confession?

On second thought, you're probably right. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just let 'em all go.

Since Holder is the govt for the sake of your argument I guess we can't trust him or the DOJ either. Funny since he's already stated he going to convict KSM and administer the death penalty. Aren't you supposed to have the trial first (I mean before we convict someone)? Maybe I'm confused... I'm not a lawyer.

 

[Anonymous]

Once again, kids, the CONGRESS is in charge of the purse strings. Clinton's democratic congresses never ran a surplus. Clinton also vetoed welfare reform at least twice and then he lost congress and moved to the middle. Welfare reform was a plan of ...wellll...the party he DID not belong to.

If you are going to attribute deficits and surpluses to a political party, then you need to attribute them to the party that controls congress.

That's 3 8th grade civics lessons in 3 days. HONESTLY You really need to break away from talking points/herd-think it will aid you in defending your ideals. Otherwise it's all a bunch of boilerplate.

One last thing, this YEAR's Budget deficit proposal right now is 1.3 TRILLION.

So you are saying the Obama fiscal 2011 budget DID NOT CONTAIN 1.56 TRILLION IN RED INK.

Any bets as to weather this congress will pass his budget largely unfettered?

BTW, what was to prevent Clinton from vetoing welfare reform a 3rd time? Answer? NOTHING. ZIP. ZILCH. NUT-IN.

 

[fatandfast]

Strategy silliness. Our Country is not divided 4 year periods of win and loss. Obama is speaking tool like the Texan before him, it doesn't mean we have lost. If Obama puts policies in place that take 5-10 years to mature does it mean the next guy is a failure? No. He stumbles but it's for the best.

 

[ravens]

Uh, I dunno... a confession?

On second thought, you're probably right. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just let 'em all go.

You're catching on. They are patriots and have the same enemy, individual freedom, that many so called 'progressives' have.

 

[Bala Verde]

Once again, kids, the CONGRESS is in charge of the purse strings.

So GOP congress was behind the biggest deficit in the history of the US. That's good to know because most people always thought it only took one idiot. Now you are telling me there were at least 52 GOP idiots involved when they drove the country to the brink of disaster.

And they are the ones who are screaming loudest to 'change' we can believe in...

I always mix up the billions and trillions. It's money I will never see in my bank account, so I don't bother to count the zeros.

 

[ravens]

So GOP congress was behind the biggest deficit in the history of the US. That's good to know because most people always thought it only took one idiot. Now you are telling me there were at least 52 GOP idiots involved when they drove the country to the brink of disaster.

And they are the ones who are screaming loudest to 'change' we can believe in...

I always mix up the billions and trillions. It's money I will never see in my bank account, so I don't bother to count the zeros.

I don't care who you want to blame, but just try and keep in touch with reality, OK?

 

[Anonymous]

Who would you blame then for the trouble we are in now?

Not sure how blaming Bush helps.

Bush didn't run Fanny and Freddie. Community re-development was Clintons deal.

Bush was not an economic guru. He allowed waayyyy too much spending. But Obama has taken spending to new heights. It's scary.

 

[ChrisE]

Uh, I dunno... a confession?

On second thought, you're probably right. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just let 'em all go.

Since Holder is the govt for the sake of your argument I guess we can't trust him or the DOJ either. Funny since he's already stated he going to convict KSM and administer the death penalty. Aren't you supposed to have the trial first (I mean before we convict someone)? Maybe I'm confused... I'm not a lawyer.

I'm sorry. Please point out where this argument was about Holder or what is going on in NY. For the record, IMO this presidency is just a continuation of the previous in regards to civil rights, just not quite so pubilicly blatant about it. Now they look even weaker by backing down on the NY thing.

"Trust" the DOJ or an appointed servant of it? lol, you really are confused. Checks and balances that are in place for the very reason we should not trust the government.

I think this whole constitution thing is a joke to you. You don't even know what it means.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Jeebus, you mean there's more to come??? Are we gonna have a 2011 budget with more than $1.56 Trillion in deficit spending? How much have we added to the National debt under this administration?

When will the alarm bells go off for you guys? Is a one-year $2 Trillion deficit too much? $15 Trillion National Debt? 12% unemployment? $1 Trillion in a new Healthcare entitlement? I'm just curious...

Oh WTF, we are in so deep now we may as well keep it at full throttle.

You seem long on complaints but short on constructive suggestions.
If you were president what would you do to fix the huge mess that Bush left in his wake.
Hint: It's not Let the rich keep all their money so they can trickle it down on the masses beneath them. That already didn't work.

 

[Bala Verde]

I don't care who you want to blame, but just try and keep in touch with reality, OK?

I liked this part from that article in your signature:

Americans who thought that it is one thing to offer an initial hand to the likes of McCain or Boehner think it something quite different to continue to offer it after the hand has been flagrantly rejected. To persist is to invite dishonor, both for the office of the president and for the nation.