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Just in, an important political backpedalling by the us...Sorry the terrible grammar as im posting from my mobile.

My rss feed from the guardian just reported that america does not see a direct involvement into the shotdown by russia and that they connsider an ACCIDENTAL EVENT...

This is a major backpedalling by obama...

Doesn't matter what the facts are any more. The damage is done. A poll will now show the majority of Americans believe that Russia was responsible for shooting down an airliner, or at the very least armed and supported those who did. Mission accomplished. The sanctions on Russia that the EU rejected a few days ago will now pass without any problems.

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python said:
Just in, an important political backpedalling by the us...Sorry the terrible grammar as im posting from my mobile.

My rss feed from the guardian just reported that america does not see a direct involvement into the shotdown by russia and that they connsider an ACCIDENTAL EVENT...

This is a major backpedalling by obama...

Classic. Though I highly doubt the US Gov would orchestrate this event in targeting the civilian aircraft, it is no way surprising they would try to take advantage of it.

US Gov really wants to supply Euro with gas.

ScienceIsCool said:
Doesn't matter what the facts are any more. The damage is done. A poll will now show the majority of Americans believe that Russia was responsible for shooting down an airliner, or at the very least armed and supported those who did. Mission accomplished. The sanctions on Russia that the EU rejected a few days ago will now pass without any problems.

John Swanson

Probably, that is what the mass medias job is, influence the public regardless of facts.

That is still plausible. In the case that it was an accidental target by the UKR separatists, some of the supplies possibly are from RUS.

I have not come to any opinion as to how the events unfolded yet, waiting for more info that will likely never come.
 
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Sciocco said:
Classic. Though I highly doubt the US Gov would orchestrate this event in targeting the civilian aircraft, it is no way surprising they would try to take advantage of it.

US Gov really wants to supply Euro with gas.

Nah. The gas is a bonus, not the goal. As per the Brzezinski doctrine, the real objective is to drive a wedge between western Europe and Eurasia. Such a socio-political and economic bloc would be an effective counter to American control and must be avoided at all costs.

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ScienceIsCool said:
Nah. The gas is a bonus, not the goal. As per the Brzezinski doctrine, the real objective is to drive a wedge between western Europe and Eurasia. Such a socio-political and economic bloc would be an effective counter to American control and must be avoided at all costs.

John Swanson

I agree with that statement, was just mentioning the gas since it is more of a specific example and strongly related to the UKR situation.

I have a friend who lives(d?) in UKR, Russian speaking area of UKR too but I don't know the city. Haven't been able to contact her for a while, somewhat surreal.

One of the things interesting me most out of this is, depending on who ends up being held responsible, is what will the "punishment" be?
 
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i am back at my laptop...jeez, am i happy posting using a device that does not inhibit me ? ...i sure am :D

back to the news i posted 10 mins ago and the sources:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ikely-shot-down-plane-by-mistake-live-updates



News
World news
Malaysia Airlines flight MH17

MH17: Rebels likely shot down plane 'by mistake' – live updates
Live

US says ‘no evidence of Russia’s direct involvement’

i have a gazillion of thoughts on the development, some have alraedy been stated above...i will be back after more reading, now im immersed in the Swedish and german sites... i love the drama :D
 
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....well isn't this development interesting....and just to put it into perspective lets look back at the situation in Syria not too long ago, that oddly enough involved many of the same back room crowd that is now playing realpolitik games in The Ukraine...

"At the time, the rebels were increasingly desperate. They had suffered a string of setbacks earlier last summer. The Turks, who had been aiding the rebels, also were growing convinced that only open U.S. military involvement could avert a looming defeat. So they set out, with apparent support of hawks in the U.S. State Department, to mousetrap President Obama into “retaliating” against Syria for crossing the “red line.” "

....this is a wild-assed guess but I am wondering if the story that Parry told a few pages ago was true and the CIA has sent out word they are not going to be made to take the fall for one more neocon misadventure and made to look stupid once again.....and that this is the best face save for the US that could be concocted given the circumstances..?....this may be the most pathetic bit of backpedaling ever seen...and the use of unverified social media to define a conclusion?....you have to be forking kidding!....and how on earth do you "accidently" shoot down a plane with a missile....like, oh $h!t, Yuri, you put down your beer on THAT button kinda accident?....nahh that is just stupidity....accident is more like I sneezed and a 3lb booger flew clear across the room and hit THAT button...

....that being said Kerry looks like a bigger d%#che bag now than after his face plant in the Syrian fiasco which when you think about is simply a monumental accomplishment, probably the most amazing thing he has done in his "storied" career....

....and in related news it looks like the US is starting to put some pressure on Israel to stop behaving like homicidal bullies....

...yup, interesting day...

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
...yup...and this could become worse than Iraq....just wonderful, what a legacy for Obama...

Cheers

yeah, ties in with the Mike Whitney article you posted (which I just read).

Iraq - total disaster (but for the western oil companies, petrodollar etc.)
Afghanistan - disaster (but the heroin money is flowing through western banks)
Libya - total disaster (but the oil, the oil...and the gold backed dinar is dead so win for the petrodollar)

Palestine/Israel - the slaughter continues...fish in an ever smaller barrel

Ukraine - well...

Syria...still working on that disaster too...Iran - pay attention, you're next.

We could go back to the "School for the Americas" days, etc. etc. etc.

This global hegemony/full spectrum dominance business is a dirty bloody affair.
I guess if you want a new order first you need some chaos...
 
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So Amster my dear friend, I hope you take back everything you said vs me. I don´t blame you. Just hope that you realize now that the evil empire is no more in the east as Reagan once described it...
And I further hope you realize now that MSM is in co-operation with the government of politic puppet Obama, the peace nobel prize winner :rolleyes:, and its satelite states (inclusive and most Germany lead by Merkel).

... and since there is still no evidence that the freedom fighters (the imperialists call them rebels) shot the plane down, there is a further speculation that Putin came home from the BRICS meeting in Sout America (preventing the Poland airspace, thus having to go a more eastern route), and that the shot was for him, fired by the pro imperialist regime of UKR. You never know. CIA tried to kill Fidel a 100 times (were succsesful in 100 other tries, the worst certainly Allende and Lumumba), why not the democratically elected president of Russia?

If people speculate like this, they are called CT. Yet if MSM speculates about Russia involvement with zero evidence, it´s taken for the truth.
North Korea does no better job to brainwash people than western MSM owned by a few rich psychopaths...
 
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Letter from Gaza by a Norwegian doctor
Dearest friends,
The last night was extreme. The "ground invasion" of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying - all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.
The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza's hospitals are working 12-24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!
Now, once more treated like animals by "the most moral army in the world" (sic!).
My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian "sumud" gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace - but we cannot afford that, nor can they.
Ashy grey faces - Oh NO! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out - oh - the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes,cannulas - the leftovers from death - all taken away ... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa in the last 24 hrs. Enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here - almost nothing: no electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors - all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterday's hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormously resolute.
And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flow, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!
An then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic 'Zennanis', the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made in and paid by the US.
Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?
I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.
I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.
Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.
But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another "dahyia" onslaught on Gaza.
The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.
Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.

Mads Gilbert MD PhD
Professor and Clinical Head
Clinic of Emergency Medicine
University Hospital of North Norway
- See more at: http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ar...za-by-a-norwegian-doctor#sthash.2NpWNrUu.dpuf

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor
 
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"Even stalwart Israel supporter Thomas Friedman has previously acknowledged that Israeli assaults on Lebanon, and possibly in Gaza, are intended ”to inflict substantial property damage and collateral casualties” because “the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians” (which, to the extent it exists, is the classic definition of “terrorism”). The most generous claim one can make about what Israel is now doing in Gaza is that it is driven by complete recklessness toward the civilian population it is massacring, a form of intent under centuries of well-settled western law."

....and just don't think this is a weird one-off outlier, check the following...

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...tack-gaza-also-justify-911-terror-attack.html

...which has the following gems...

"...author, apparently an NYU prof, suggests that Gazan CHILDREN are not innocent if their parents have certain views..."

....and...

"The argument is this: Are Gazan civilians really innocent in all of this? After all, they voted for Hamas, didn’t they? Aren’t they therefore responsible for the actions of that government? Do they really have a rightful claim to innocence and the usual civilian immunity from military attack?"

Cheers
 
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RetroActive said:
Flashback:

The U.S. Elite Run a Ukrainian Genocide While American Public Are Ignorant of It
Posted on July 3, 2014 by Eric Zuesse.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...ainian-genocide-american-public-ignorant.html

p.s. the links are interesting

....forgot to add that this account is pretty well confirmed by family in The Ukraine....the other thing to note is that most of this is being head manned by units of the National Guard under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior where most of the right wing fascist element is now concentrated ( as opposed to the regular army which has shown a marked reluctance to be involved in this action )...

...and btw this reluctance by the regular army to be involved is mirrored by most of the population who apparently are growing less and less happy with the glorious revolution....there is a growing concern that a counter revolution is coming and it could well be very bloody ( will be interesting to see how the US will respond...and either allow it to be mercifully short or drag it out to Iraqi or Syrian proportions... )...

Cheers
 
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UN's Pillay: 'strong possibility' of Israeli war crimes
http://www.dw.de/uns-pillay-strong-...imes/a-17801640?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf

i cant understand why the obvious documented killing of hundreds of palestinian children is a 'possibility':confused:

...getting back to my yesterday's posting on the us intelligence backpedaling re. the evidence. i was looking for the original statement or a release to read it w/o anyone's comments to arrive at my own interpretation. sadly, there was no official press release, no new data, no satellite imagery...in stead, there was a closed late night briefing by 3 intelligence officers whose names and faces are forbidden under the penalty of us law from a publication. i contrasted it with the briefing by 2 russian generals i watched live and getting lost in the multitude of data...

anyway, the best i found was an original article by the ap reporter present at the us briefing. it is imbedded in this article:
The most pathetic case of backpedaling I have seen in my life

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2...-case-of-backpedaling-i-have-seen-in-my-life/

the commentary and the comparisons may not be to the liking of some....
 
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- Either the plane entered the missile's radar cup (50 km range), was acquired and the missile launched in mere moments, or:

- The rebels had radar placements far west of their controlled territory.

Neither is remotely plausible.

John Swanson

This seems to me the most important argument against the missile's being fired by the separatists. The other evidence you provide in support of this is consistent with this, but IMO can't do the heavy lifting.

E.g., even if that picture of the missile battery was not actually taken at the scene at the right time, all this means is that someone on the Ukranian side wants the world to believe the separatists did it (which of course is what they want). That doesn't prove that the separatists didn't do it (just because someone lies or cheats to make a point doesn't mean the point isn't valid; if you don't know at the time whether it is or isn't, and the Ukranians wouldn't have, you might indeed try to make it appear that it was valid.) Even if the picture was taken in advance of when the plane was actually shot down, I don't see that as indicating foreknowledge. The picture could have been taken for an unrelated reason, with someone realizing after the fact that it could be useful as phony proof.

The radar argument, though, is very critical. A couple of questions for anyone here:

1) how far west could have one of these radar stations been located? Depending on this distance, the effective number of miles of the radar's detection radius would have been extended. Surely it's more than the fifty miles of one particular radar installation; the question is, how much more?

2) how much time does it take to complete the sequence of detecting the plane, locking into it, and firing? Everyone using this argument says the six minutes or so afforded by fifty miles is not enough, but why not, and how much is enough?

Edit: Just heard a report that two Ukranian military planes were shot down? How fast do they fly?
 
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Looking up specs on Jane's and AussieAirPower, the likely radar used by separatists would have a 120 degree scan with a minimum elevation of 10 degrees. A sweep takes four seconds and acquisition of a target takes another 2 seconds. Going from standby scan mode to continuous wave tracking mode takes 20 seconds. In that time, the airliner has continued approaching and is now at ~43 km distance if you get max range out of your radar (likely because it's a big airplane - the radar was designed for small fighters) and reaction times are instantaneous.

If a missile is launched instantaneously, the plane should crash about 20 km away from the launch site (assuming some things about missile speed). That would place the TELAR somewhere around Snizhne, which is both in rebel controlled area and where they are claimed to have a BuK M1 system.

So it's feasible.

There are some problems though. It's a bit hard to believe that anyone would shoot at the first thing that pops up on radar without doing *anything* else first. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time someone has done something outrageously stupid and dangerous.

The problem I have is that the rebels probably have an excellent idea of where Kiev is flying its planes from. It would be shocking if there wasn't a few groups of rebels watching movements at those airports. What goes into the air and what direction it's heading. So even absent radar, the rebels would know there was an SU-25 in the air. So there should have been two radar tracks. One for the airliner and one for the SU-25.

Unless... the rebels knew an SU-25 would be in the air and shot without thinking that maybe what they were tracking wasn't the SU-25. Ooops.

But... there are additional problems. First is that from the aircraft point of view, the missile should have been very visible for at least 30 seconds. Visibility was good and the missile would have been obvious. Where are those cockpit transmissions again? Why haven't transcripts been released?

And lastly, what the heck was an SU-25 doing intercepting a civilian aircraft? Typically that's done to make a visual identification. Very odd that someone wanted to identify an aircraft just before it gets targeted with *somebody else's* missile. More likely is that the SU-25 was visually identifying its target.

But yeah, the physics says that either side could have done it. Though with Kupol radar (360 degree scan, 120 km radius) and a deployed set of SA-11 systems, Kiev would have had a much easier time of it.

John Swanson
 
Zam_Olyas said:

The ruthlessness with which Israel punishes Gaza - however one assesses or judges the situation - is horrendous from any point of view. Even if one were cynically neutral, the promise of an escalation of Islamic fanaticism and the terrorism against the West it fuels, justifies the following question: Bibi Netanyahu what logical criteria guides your policy?
 
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rhubroma said:
The ruthlessness with which Israel punishes Gaza - however one assesses or judges the situation - is horrendous from any point of view. Even if one were cynically neutral, the promise of an escalation of Islamic fanaticism and the terrorism against the West it fuels, justifies the following question: Bibi Netanyahu what logical criteria guides your policy?

Which myth do you want to tackle first? It's pretty hard to unravel this whole issue as it's steeped in massive emotional baggage and immense amounts of propaganda.

The genetically superior race card is probably the central pillar that guides this nonsense along with eretz Israel of course.

It's fanaticism par excellence.
The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel's_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy

Who needs logic?
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
And lastly, what the heck was an SU-25 doing intercepting a civilian aircraft? Typically that's done to make a visual identification. Very odd that someone wanted to identify an aircraft just before it gets targeted with *somebody else's* missile. More likely is that the SU-25 was visually identifying its target.
firstly, re. the su-25 role... i was watching the briefing live, iirc, the interpreter said that the plane, supposedly an su-25 but it could have been another military plane type circled the crash sight before flying away. the russians stated they have the radar track to prove it. For the record, yesterday all the data from the russian briefing was passed over to the eu, the ria agency reported. of course, none of the west's msm reported it.

secondly, at yesterday's american intelligence briefing, there was a statement made, that it was 'not feasible for an ukrainian buk system' to shoot down the liner. this directly clashed with 3 russian air space images showing the location of the ukrainian buk systems and how they moved around...

thirdly, the us statement that the missile was fired from the rebel-controlled area was questioned by some experts who pointed the american satellite directly above the area simply was not designed for identifying the exact location. that is, it has an early warning infrared sensor designed to detect a missile engine heat signature, with the location accuracy between 30 to 50 km. only a visual space sensor (a satellite camera) or a local land based radar or an awacs above could pinpoint the location...the us either did not have these in the vicinity or did not present their data...
 
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I'd like to say a huge thank you to much maligned CNN International for bringing today's events in Holland to the world, and for their focus on the families. CNN has continued live coverage after other international broadcasters stopped. They will win some award for their coverage today, and they will deserve it.

When the planes landed, the honor guard and pall bearers marched onto the tarmac, the King and Queen, together with domestic and foreign dignitaries all stood in silence, I had live coverage on 11 channels - seven domestic and four international. Once the procession of 40 hearses set off towards Hilversum, only one Dutch public station and three commercial ones continued following the cortege....and CNN Int.

I got to thinking about the most memorable, most moving moments of live tv I have ever witnessed. What I have seen today has been as deeply moving for me as Mandela's release from prison, 9/11, and Mandela's funeral.

As far as Holland is concerned, none of us have ever witnessed anything like the astonishing number of people lining the route - more even than I remember when the Dutch football team won Euro 88 - every motorway overpass has been full of people, some crying, some throwing flowers onto the cortege, some applauding. Traffic in the opposite direction slowed and stopped to watch. The tv coverage has been absolutely awesome, deeply moving, and utterly respectful. It has been a unique few hours, I'm shattered and emotionally drained. How typical of the Dutch, that the public service, police, and media, vehicles following behind the cortege stopped at every overpass to pick up the flowers lying on the road so that cars wouldn't crush them.
 
RetroActive said:
Which myth do you want to tackle first? It's pretty hard to unravel this whole issue as it's steeped in massive emotional baggage and immense amounts of propaganda.

The genetically superior race card is probably the central pillar that guides this nonsense along with eretz Israel of course.

It's fanaticism par excellence.
The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel's_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy

Who needs logic?

I don't know what the US take is on Israel's nuclear arsenal these days, but in Europe the country is recognized as a "non-official" possessor of atomic weapons. Nevertheless the Jewish State is not considered "rogue" for it.
 
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rhubroma said:
I don't know what the US take is on Israel's nuclear arsenal these days, but in Europe the country is recognized as a "non-official" possessor of atomic weapons. Nevertheless the Jewish State is not considered "rogue" for it.

Veto!
...anyway the whole subject is just toxic. Slowly the worm turns though.
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The Late Historian Who Predicted The Years of War After September 11
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/jonathan-schell-predict-war-september-11

US Empire Reaches Breaking Point. “Greatest Threat to Humanity”. Time To End It
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-emp...est-threat-to-humanity-time-to-end-it/5392310
 
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(Reuters) - A powerful Ukrainian rebel leader has confirmed that pro-Russian separatists had an anti-aircraft missile of the type Washington says was used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 and it could have originated in Russia.

In an interview with Reuters, Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged for the first time since the airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday that the rebels did possess the BUK missile system and said it could have been sent back subsequently to remove proof of its presence.

Before the Malaysian plane was shot down, rebels had boasted of obtaining the BUK missiles, which can shoot down airliners at cruising height. But since the disaster the separatists' main group, the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, has repeatedly denied ever having possessed such weapons.

Since the airliner crashed with the loss of all 298 on board, the most contentious issue has been who fired the missile that brought the jet down in an area where government forces are fighting pro-Russian rebels.

Khodakovsky blamed the Kiev authorities for provoking what may have been the missile strike that destroyed the doomed airliner, saying Kiev had deliberately launched air strikes in the area, knowing the missiles were in place.

"I knew that a BUK came from Luhansk. At the time I was told that a BUK from Luhansk was coming under the flag of the LNR," he said, referring to the Luhansk People’s Republic, the main rebel group operating in Luhansk, one of two rebel provinces along with Donetsk, the province where the crash took place.

"That BUK I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence," Khodakovsky told Reuters on Tuesday.

"The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians," he said.

"They knew that this BUK existed; that the BUK was heading for Snezhnoye," he said, referring to a village 10 km (six miles) west of the crash site. "They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this BUK by starting an air strike on a target they didn’t need, that their planes hadn’t touched for a week."

"And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a BUK, and even if the BUK was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down."

more - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...sis-commander-exclusive-idUSKBN0FS1V920140723
 
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....well this comes as a complete surprise...

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"'Witch Hunt': Fired MSNBC Contributor Speaks Out on Suppression of Israel-Palestine Debate
As Gaza body toll mounts, NBC executives crack down on criticism of Israel.

July 22, 2014 |

MSNBC contributor Rula Jebreal’s on-air protest of the network’s slanted coverage of Israel’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has brought media suppression of the Israel-Palestine debate into sharp focus. Punished for her act of dissent with the cancellation of all future appearances and the termination of her contract, Jebreal spoke to me about what prompted her to speak out and why MSNBC was presenting such a distorted view of the crisis.

“I couldn’t stay silent after seeing the amount of airtime given to Israeli politicians versus Palestinians,” Jebreal told me. “They say we are balanced but their idea of balance is 90 percent Israeli guests and 10 percent Palestinians. This kind of media is what leads to the failing policies that we see in Gaza.”

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An NBC producer speaking on condition of anonymity confirmed Jebreal’s account, describing to me a top-down intimidation campaign aimed at presenting an Israeli-centric view of the attack on the Gaza Strip. The NBC producer told me that MSNBC President Phil Griffin and NBC executives are micromanaging coverage of the crisis, closely monitoring contributors’ social media accounts and engaging in a “witch hunt” against anyone who strays from the official line.

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In introducing Jebreal, <Chris> Hayes took on the role of the industry and network defender: “Let me take you behind the curtain of cable news business for a moment,” Hayes told his viewers. “If you appear on a cable news network, you trash that network and one of its hosts by name, on any issue — Gaza, infrastructure spending, sports coverage, funny internet cat videos — the folks at the network will not take kindly to it.”

In fact, MSNBC Morning Joe co-host Joe Scarborough has publicly attacked fellow MSNBC hosts and slammed the network for its support for the Democratic Party.

more..."

...from... http://www.alternet.org/media/witch...ut-networks-witch-hunt-and-suppression-israel

Cheers
 
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