World Politics

[FoxxyBrown1111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX1WX5DdO8E

As I told you guys (especially Echoes): The islam has got nothing to do with the islam. OFC not.

 

[python]

i will bite foxxy

...my own views aside - which aren't fully incompatible with yours but not as firm - what do you suggest ? or pls refer me to an author you can underwrite.

probably you and certainly i both grew up in the western european traditions. what would be a fair and practical solution to the islamization of europe which would still be compatible with our values ?

this is a genuine question. i am asking b/c the most vocal protests i hear all seem short on solutions...

 

[Amsterhammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX1WX5DdO8E

As I told you guys (especially Echoes): The islam has got nothing to do with the islam. OFC not.

Shameful, disgusting, disgraceful, deliberate, bigoted, polemical distortion aimed at the lower intestinal tract of those who choose to forget history. Fanning the flames of hatred against an entire group of people because of their religion is unspeakably evil.

 

[Echoes]

Can't you see that their only solution is a civil war and that's all they want. Besides, they're gonna have it. I hope I'll be safe when it breaks out because it's frightening.

 

[blutto]

...file under who knew....or better still why don't we know....

"Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs."

...so are the following attacks entho-nationaist in nature or the work of some fanatical religious cult?....

"Price Tag Attacks:

“Price tag” attacks (property crimes and violent acts by extremist Jewish individuals and groups in retaliation for activity they deemed to be anti-settlement) expanded into Israel from the West Bank in 2013. The Israeli government formed a new unit of the national police designated specifically to investigate these crimes in both Israel and the West Bank and in June the Security Cabinet authorized the Ministry of Defense to classify groups that perpetrated “price tag” attacks as “illegal associations,” which allowed security authorities greater leeway in collecting information on and seizing the property of groups, and of their members, that perpetrated “price tag” attacks. Incidents included:

In July, gravestones in a Christian Orthodox cemetery in Jaffa were vandalized with the words “revenge” and “price tag.” Price tag graffiti was also found on a residential building near the cemetery.
In August, the Beit Jamal Monastery near Jerusalem was firebombed and spray-painted with the words “death to the Gentiles” and other slogans."



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[FoxxyBrown1111]

i will bite foxxy

...my own views aside - which aren't fully incompatible with yours but not as firm - what do you suggest ? or pls refer me to an author you can underwrite.

probably you and certainly i both grew up in the western european traditions. what would be a fair and practical solution to the islamization of europe which would still be compatible with our values ?

this is a genuine question. i am asking b/c the most vocal protests i hear all seem short on solutions...

I posted that german vid last week. It was almost complete... Since there is the will of power to islamisize Europe (and thus to divide our original nations), there is no way around it. It will end up in civil wars anyway.

But if you ask me, and I had the power: Protection-Protection-Protection... Always worked in business, so it would in society.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Shameful, disgusting, disgraceful, deliberate, bigoted, polemical distortion aimed at the lower intestinal tract of those who choose to forget history. Fanning the flames of hatred against an entire group of people because of their religion is unspeakably evil.

100% agree. It´s, as you say, disgusting that the quran is fanning flames of hate against entire groups of people. Namely the "disbelievers" (which includes christians, jews, athesists, buddists, those who pray to cold stones on a hill, and what the heck else)...

 

[RetroActive]

Nassim Taleb, The Precautionary Principle, and GMOs
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/nassim-taleb-the-precautionary-principle-and-gmos/

The two systems to consider with regard to GMOs are human health and the ecosystem. Taleb argues that both of these systems are fragile, that the risk of harm from GMOs is global and not local, and that such harm has the potential to be permanent, therefore we should apply his precautionary principle of zero risk.

However, Taleb also argues that the risk to the environment increases as more GMO are introduced. He is assuming cumulative risk, however, and this is where I think his argument is biologically naive. Nature is a robust system with many homeostatic mechanisms. Potential harm from unintended consequences are likely to be local and finite, not global and permanent.

Less robust all the time...

 

[Jagartrott]

By 2016, 1% of the people will own more than 50% of the wealth - globally.
How long can such inequality be sustained? Which mechanisms are in place to preserve this seemingly perilously tilted equilibrium? Who believes that this is just and fair?

 

[python]

my google news app just beeped...iran was the flag.

it appears that vlad's chief military is on a 2 day visit to teheran to conclude some secret military deals they keep tight about.

a 2 day trip by any high diplomat, much less a defense minister, is quite a rarity. what are they talking about ?

i guess that the israelis know the highlights and they hardly are loving them..

in light of the latest developments, an iran watcher can make some guesses too...firstly, the 2 neighbors have some serious mutual grievances they dont advertise.

.. the biggest being russia's cancellation of the (paid for in full !) s300 missile deal under the israeli and american pressure. of course, it was when vlad was not compared to hitler by the west. iran took russia to court. it is more than reasonable to assume, that since vlad is a devil incarnate now, the feared missile is no longer an export tabu. moreover, a rumour has it that the iranians got the missile anyway (from belarus). vlad is now helping iran to set up their serial production. of course, under some 'shahab' label.

another area is a repair and maintenance of the soviet made hardware iran obtained either directly (various anti-aircraft hardware) or took as trophies from iraq (20+ mig-29s etc). this is equally bothersome to the israelis. everyone knows that their american F4s are an old junk by now. but an upgraded mig29 is still feared and, in fact, still flying for some nato members.

then there is the biggest headache of american and israeli hawks - iran becoming a full member of the shanghai treaty organization. this would be a real biggy as the members, similar the nato charter are bound by the mutual assistance clause in case of aggression. imagine the chinese industrial might and the russian nuclear assets in action if the zionists will again threaten to bomb iran at will...

not pretty..

 

[frenchfry]

By 2016, 1% of the people will own more than 50% of the wealth - globally.
How long can such inequality be sustained? Which mechanisms are in place to preserve this seemingly perilously tilted equilibrium? Who believes that this is just and fair?

I am not saying this is a good thing, but it seems to me that this refers only to financial wealth which is only one indicator of overall wealth (for example emotional wealth and well being).

My impression is that wealth doesn't necessarily mean happiness or well being, all too often the opposite is true. Assuming that basic needs are provided for of course.

Our modern society is so focused on financial wealth, consumption and greed that we so often forget what is really important.

 

[frenchfry]

"The terrorist attack in France that took place at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo was not about free speech. It was not about radical Islam. It did not illustrate the fictitious clash of civilizations. It was a harbinger of an emerging dystopia where the wretched of the earth, deprived of resources to survive, devoid of hope, brutally controlled, belittled and mocked by the privileged who live in the splendor and indolence of the industrial West, lash out in nihilistic fury."

This is a load of crap, at least in the context of France.

The Kouachi brothers didn't have an easy life, their father didn't stick around and their mother had trouble making ends meet but that is the story of lots of kids who don't become terrorists. They found their mother dead on the return from a day at Disneyland, hardly a situation of not having enough resources to survive. When their mother died they lived in the Corrèze, far from the Paris banlieues.

The excesses of capitalism is a problem, but France is a very socialist state and the above argument just doesn't cut it. Painting the muslim immigrant population as the ultimate victims is pretty rich.

In any case, a lot of the kids that go to Syria to fight the jihad come from white middle class backgrounds.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...s-enfants-heureux-l-ete-a-la-grande-motte.php

The Kouachi brothers had seaside summer holidays while growing up.

I am not saying they had an easy life, but it is ridiculous to play the poor kids who were abandoned by society card.

 

[Jagartrott]

My impression is that wealth doesn't necessarily mean happiness or well being, all too often the opposite is true. Assuming that basic needs are provided for of course.

Our modern society is so focused on financial wealth, consumption and greed that we so often forget what is really important.

Well, I'd say that money for medical care, good quality food, education, sanitation, etc. is quite important for your happiness and wellbeing. But that's not even the main point. How can 1% of people have 50% of wealth? How do you defend that?

 

[frenchfry]

Well, I'd say that money for medical care, good quality food, education, sanitation, etc. is quite important for your happiness and wellbeing. But that's not even the main point. How can 1% of people have 50% of wealth? How do you defend that?

I am not at all defending the distribution of wealth, there is a serious problem there. Just this morning I read about a baseball player who signed for $210m over 7 years. $30m a year for playing a sport, this is indeed a crazy world. But people are stupid enough to pay for that, directly or indirectly. Obviously nobody can reasonably spend even a small portion of that amount, but in our society it is important to have more money than the next guy, so as long as someone will pay salaries keep skyrocketing. The really pathetic thing is that the same player is probably adored by the masses (personally I had never heard of him) including some that are scandalised that the "wealthy" few have collected all the marbles (I am not suggesting you are included in this group).

I am suggesting that our current society puts far too much emphasis on material wealth and perhaps not enough on what really counts.

Then again, I live in a country where most of the basic needs are provided by the state (health care, education, sanitation etc.) and there is a social welfare system that is generous to a fault.

 

[blutto]

....kind of an odd way to colour this story ( the original headline in the linked story reads...French police detain five Chechens suspected of plotting attack ...)...though if one were cynical one could infer some rather nefarious motives behind this rather peculiar colouring ( hysteria can be an important political resource after all and when you are literally awash in it you have the opportunity to apply it to a awful lot of problems..) ....that being said it is true Chechnyans are technically Russians ( but like do you think the evil chess master Vlad the Bad personally sent these guys ?...which seems on first blush a rather dumb move ...maybe the evil finally clouded his chess mind...) ...

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Five Russians from Chechnya have been detained in southern France on suspicion of preparing an attack, local prosecutors said on Tuesday.

The five suspects were detained on Monday in the town of Beziers near the Mediterranean coast, around 70 kilometres (40 miles) from Montpellier.

The prosecutor said certain "products" had been recovered during their searches, without giving further details.

One of those arrested lived in Beziers, and another "probably" in Montpellier, the prosecutor added. The addresses of the other three were still being sought.

France is on high alert following three days of attacks by jihadists earlier this month in Paris that left 17 dead.

Chechnya, a highly restive and predominantly Muslim region in Russia, has seen the largest demonstrations against cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published by French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo last week.

Authorities said about one million people attended the state-organised rally against Charlie Hebdo in Chechnya on Monday.

(AFP)

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20150120-french-police-detain-five-russians-suspected-plotting-attack/

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[python]

But if you ask me, and I had the power: Protection-Protection-Protection... Always worked in business, so it would in society.

i will have first to understand what you mean by 'always worked in business'...regarding the issue at hand, i think you meant tighter migration control, more selective work force policies and the less wid citizenship granting ? if so, the measures imo can only go so far.

don't get me wrong, i don't have a ready solution, but i often, think of the problem in terms of my immediate and extended family experience....at the core of this experience has been INTEGRATION/ADAPTATION with/to a local environment.

any policy or a set of laws that would have promoted such attitude for those who happened to be immigrant, of course the muslims as well, would imo create a lasting solution..

i often think of the us vs europe...it is a separate subject, but what i can see with my own eyes in nyc appears that arabs, pakistanians etc seem better integrated...they sure feels every bit as muslim as their brothers in europe, but i dont sense the animosity or the anger one feels in europe...perhaps, i am wrong, but america offers them an economic and cultural integration...and many seem takers.

or another example, but at the core, the sme driving forces. the palestine.

i have always believed that if only a part of west's wealth that went to beef up israel, had instead been spent to promote the palestinian economic integration (that is, building their middle class), we'd likely have solved the conflict by now....and i am well aware of the financial injections into palestine... my point being, it was ill-appropriated by the rich arabs. if the west was less one-sided, less protection minded, the stealing would not happen

perhaps i am utopian...

 

[Jagartrott]

I am not at all defending the distribution of wealth, there is a serious problem there. Just this morning I read about a baseball player who signed for $210m over 7 years. $30m a year for playing a sport, this is indeed a crazy world. But people are stupid enough to pay for that, directly or indirectly. Obviously nobody can reasonably spend even a small portion of that amount, but in our society it is important to have more money than the next guy, so as long as someone will pay salaries keep skyrocketing. The really pathetic thing is that the same player is probably adored by the masses (personally I had never heard of him) including some that are scandalised that the "wealthy" few have collected all the marbles (I am not suggesting you are included in this group).

I am suggesting that our current society puts far too much emphasis on material wealth and perhaps not enough on what really counts.

Then again, I live in a country where most of the basic needs are provided by the state (health care, education, sanitation etc.) and there is a social welfare system that is generous to a fault.

Yes, sorry, I should've said "how can one defend..."
And yes, too much emphasis is placed on 'more, more, more', with acquiring money becoming the end-goal, regardless if it makes you happier (if you have 10 million, will earning another 10 million makes you happier?). All the more reason that wealth should be redistributed, so that many more people can be freed of the fight against starvation, homelessness, child labour, etc. So that they can start pursuing higher goals than merely fighting for survival.

Seriously, we take the current completely distorted situation so for granted, as if it is set in stone.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But if you ask me, and I had the power: Protection-Protection-Protection... Always worked in business, so it would in society.

i will have first to understand what you mean by 'always worked in business'...regarding the issue at hand, i think you meant tighter migration control, more selective work force policies and the less wid citizenship granting ? if so, the measures imo can only go so far.

IMO the time of being able to isolate any one National or regional society or economy is long past. Rendered obsolete by the internet and intercontinental travel within a few hours. Globalization is here and it will be as bloody or not as mankind will make it.

 

[sjafafa]

But if you ask me, and I had the power: Protection-Protection-Protection... Always worked in business, so it would in society.

Do you know business? Or society?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

IMO the time of being able to isolate any one National or regional society or economy is long past. Rendered obsolete by the internet and intercontinental travel within a few hours. Globalization is here and it will be as bloody or not as mankind will make it.

Import tax. Works very well for your economy. Add in subsidies and wonders happen... It´s a long long story. But that´s the way the powerful survive: Protecting themselves, selling "freedom and democracy" to others.

The growing countries in Asia protected themselves very well until USA stepped in (confer to Naomi Kleins "Shock Doctrine" book)...

Anyway, translated to Europe: Stop immigration of poverty "refugees" from dangerous countries... Works well for USA, only giving greencards to the well educated...

BTW, "globalisation" exists since long. Now it´s the internet and fiat money. In the old days globalisation was when Spaniards and else shipped around the world to suck people into bad trade deals...

In short: If the political will (powered by the international co-operations) wasn´t to divide Europe, it would be VERY EASY to protect the original nations.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Do you know business? Or society?

Cool three posts. Do you know cycling? Or soccer?

 

[sjafafa]

I am suggesting that our current society puts far too much emphasis on material wealth and perhaps not enough on what really counts.

Then again, I live in a country where most of the basic needs are provided by the state (health care, education, sanitation etc.) and there is a social welfare system that is generous to a fault.

Now tell somebody who is on welfare that they put "too much emphasis on material wealth" and maybe they will tell you what is wrong with your statement.

nondeju

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Cool three posts. Do you know cycling? Or soccer?

Maybe he knows Baseball?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Maybe he knows Baseball?

Or he knows Bo... then he knows everything.

 

[blutto]

....file under...this makes sense (?)...

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DAVOS: ‘It is profitable to let the world go to hell’


‘It is profitable to let the world go to hell’
As politicians and business leaders gather in Davos, climate expert Jørgen Randers argues that democracy will continue to hamper climate action

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In a newly published paper in the Swedish magazine Extrakt he writes:


It is cost-effective to postpone global climate action. It is profitable to let the world go to hell.

I believe that the tyranny of the short term will prevail over the decades to come. As a result, a number of long-term problems will not be solved, even if they could have been, and even as they cause gradually increasing difficulties for all voters.


Randers says the reason for inaction is that there will be little observable benefit during the first 20 years of any fiscal sacrifice, even though tougher regulations and taxes will guarantee a better climate for our children and grandchildren.

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MORE:
http://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...imate-action-democracy-failure-jorgen-randers
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